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Post by MZ-Money »

Dakkus wrote: I find it a pity that you have become a target for the Witchhunt.
I would like to point out, however, that this witchhunt is done by only a handful of people and is NOT the official stance of EBT.

Please do not stop entering notes because of a limited number of idiots. They are not administrators, but only normal users exactly like you.
They shoot everything that moves and are most often wrong. Pretty much everyone else has learned to understand that and no more take them seriously. You shouldn't either.

To my knowledge the EBT moderators do not consider you a faker. And that's all that counts. There are those few users who see a witch in you, but you shouldn't care about them. Most of the forum readers do not see you in the way they do.

You should just ignore those idiots. Don't care about what they say.
There's no need to defend yourself on the thread, because those witchhunters don't care about logic. If they say someone is a witch, then for them that's an unreversible fact.
They won't apologize, because they are unable to think they have done something wrong. Although pretty much everyone hates them, they seem to think they are doing the right thing :D
Thx Dakkus,
but the Witchhunt is going on. :cry:
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Post by Licht & Feuer »

Dakkus wrote: ... idiots... they shoot everything that moves and are most often wrong... ignore those idiots.... because those witchhunters don't care about logic... everyone hates them...
Now this is nice, which film is Dakkus watching? 8O
Nothing to add to this statement, especially regarding the "logic". :roll:
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Post by JP Simões »

Even considering that last hit is fake (which may well not be, Mz-Money does not make any attempt to enter consecutive serials, and seems to have hitted that note at once. I could also say it's highly unprobable that anyone, wanting to fake would get hits at first attempt.), there are still 19 without any prove of faking. Besides, today, Mz-Money entered more than 77 P/X :note-5:, 77 being the number of notes shown on the page which link you showed. Besides, the majority of serial numbers Mz-Money entered today do not seem to be avaliable at Eurotracer (I didn't check them all, I don't need to - my mind is clear now).
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Post by Ralf »

androl wrote:
magpie wrote:ET is a German service. Not deleting your notes is IMHO against the law (Bundesdatenschutzgesetz).
Ralf wrote:They don't delete my notes, because I'm not the owner anymore :twisted:
But it's still my data which I put there. :?
I don't know more about that, but I doubt anyone is forced to delete the note data. Probably they only could have to delete your personal information, for example user name, and make it anonymous.
Also, I think (also don't know exactly) that a German law could possibly not be applied to Eurotracer, because the server does not stand in Germany.
But I think, saying, your notes now belong to ET and not any more to you, is a bit weak.

Then, I think the reason why Thomas doesn't want to delete your notes is a different one: he once tried to delete some notes and something went wrong, he put a != instead of a =, or something, and since then he is very scared about doing any "big" things to the database

But I think the whole thing is less serious than you think. Eurotracer hides three digits of the serials, and if anyone tries to find out the hidden parts and enters series of notes to EBT, this will come out. And it has not happened very often yet (I only know of two cases, one can not be repeated again because ET restricted the possibilities, and the other one was a known faker that could not do it without being noticed)
But when my notes are still there people can still enter them at ebt and I get fake hits.
That's why I want they delete all data.
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Post by Klazu »

This is just my opinion to the deleting-your-notes case.

If a user who has entered all (or at least the huge majority) of the notes conserned, wants to delete his account and notes, of course he should be able to do so (or have the admins do it for him). I don't understand any other conclusions. The information is provided to the site by the user who has entered the notes, so he "owns" the information, not the admins of the site. A good admin would honor the request of the information provider and delete the notes.

<just speculation>
Maybe admins think the amount of notes in ET is already so small, they don't want to miss any of it what ever the situation...
</just speculation>


No need to comment. Wanted to just say this out loud.
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Post by Klazu »

I see nothing has been done in the entering-your-german-notes-in-Thailand case in almost two weeks. So at least to me it seems it's by now purely OK by the admins to take hundreds of notes from your local bank, travel to Mongolia (or where ever), and mark them there. Maybe, just maybe, you enter some comments about the real location where you got your notes from. If your lucky, you gain some hits, which of course now point between your own country and Mongolia (or what ever). Neat hits easily, don't you think?

I would say crazy, but this is how it looks to me. :roll:
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Post by Nerzhul »

Klazu wrote:I see nothing has been done in the entering-your-german-notes-in-Thailand case in almost two weeks. So at least to me it seems it's by now purely OK by the admins to take hundreds of notes from your local bank, travel to Mongolia (or where ever), and mark them there. Maybe, just maybe, you enter some comments about the real location where you got your notes from. If your lucky, you gain some hits, which of course now point between your own country and Mongolia (or what ever). Neat hits easily, don't you think?

I would say crazy, but this is how it looks to me. :roll:
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Post by Guest »

I also see some point in Klazu's statement. The notes were gotten in Cologne and this is what should appear in the location.

But well, let us be honest: Next time somebody less honest comments nothing more or comments "deliberately" and then we can only guess if in the end cross-continental hits are real.

In the end, the notes have virtually been in Bangkok but it is a pity if we bow down to the self-importance of people who seem to need that for their egos.

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Post by Klazu »

OK, I tried to be a bit provocative, but it's just because I haven't seen anything beeing done to this in so long time (so it seems that the case is being forgotten). I hate false information in EBT. And I strongly disagree with entering notes like this. So I wanted to boost up a little this discussion and maybe see some ending in it.

This ain't any direct attack against the user involved here. Just the way of entering notes wrong IMO. :idea:

EDIT: As rough as the Nerzhul's words may seem at first glance, I really enjoyed the reaction he showed here. There's no better word to describe this. :lol: :wink:
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Post by Guest »

Licht & Feuer wrote:
Licht & Feuer wrote:I'm affraid that these hit-serials were reconstructed from the ET-website: :(

Why is this suspicious? Because there are only a few notes hosted by both sites, having at least 6 ET-Hits within only some 8000+ entries is far away from every probability and should be checked.
Well, then I fear these hits are reconstructed by ET, maybe some lucky ones are between...

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=13327419
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=17576052
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=N&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=14827881
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=7141780
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=6282096
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2789111
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... w=X&col=10

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=14679011
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=U&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=10136758
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=7617849
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5932701
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5006864
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... w=Y&col=10

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=9804871
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=U&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2833687
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=6766518
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

All these could have been hits...and so in your logic this user tried to reconstruct hits from eurotracer and luckily ever after he sometimes found a hit, even if his hitpartner isn't the one he expected...so he is a faker and should be banned? Or otherwise...this "black magic ET-thing" does not prove a simple thing.... just give it up...PLEASE!!!!!
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Post by vermeer »

Eurotracer is still going strong? Can't they stop and enter their banknotes with their date of entry in EBT?
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Post by hafla »

If you look carefully at the notes entered by Guest you will see something that makes fraude a little less likely:
Take a glimse at:

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5932701
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

The user, nor the location, nor the date in ET is the same as entered on EBT.
If this note would have been entered by Rufus50 in both EBT as ET, he must have kept it for a year, changed his name and moved since.
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Post by kredithai »

so lange auch ich ständig solchen Verdächtigungen ausgesetzt bin, werde ich keine Noten mehr eingeben.

Die Überprüfung, ob ein "ähnlicher" Schein bei ET registriert ist, ist mir einfach zu aufwändig!

Eventuell kann das ja jemand für die englichen User übersetzen
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Post by €€F »

this hit is a little strange..

Henk/Bep made the note as a first entry in Leerdam.
Nightstalker is from the same town (Leerdam) , but found the note 23 days later in North Italy..
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Post by Guest »

kredithai wrote:
so lange auch ich ständig solchen Verdächtigungen ausgesetzt bin, werde ich keine Noten mehr eingeben.

Die Überprüfung, ob ein "ähnlicher" Schein bei ET registriert ist, ist mir einfach zu aufwändig!

Eventuell kann das ja jemand für die englichen User übersetzen
Translation: As long as I am exposed to such suspicions as well, I will not register any notes anymore.

To check if a "simillar" note has been registered at ET, takes too much effort!

Maybe someone can translate this for the English users.

-- Translationn done by Asiamaniac
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