BossaNova wrote:
hmmmm there should be an environmental forum.. only for us
Where are you? (politicaly speaking..)
Consepts of left and right also vary a lot by country. For example, from Estonian point of view all the major Finnish parties are more or less leftist, even the conservative one. And from Finnish point of view all major Estonian parties seem to vary between right and liberal.
About me, I consider myself somewhat rightist / liberal. I voted the liberal party in our latest parliamentary election, and before that, the conservative party.
About me, I consider myself somewhat rightist / liberal. I voted the liberal party in our latest parliamentary election, and before that, the conservative party.
That's also feasible for me. I'm tired about politicians throwing mud at each other (with words) instead of just doing their work.BogPoet wrote:I voted for abstension, because, until now, I have always taken the conscious decision not to vote. Despite sometimes finding myself agreeing with right-wing parties' decisions (such as the EURO, which was mostly a right-wing call), I am mostly a left-wing person, but I don't vote, because I don't feel there is one party with which I agree 100% (and I also think there's a lot of flaws in democracy - but that's another story). Actually, in my early teens, I took a pretty thorough self-course in anarchistic thought, and I still retain some ideas from that period. <flashback>It's such a wonderful utopia... Sometimes I wander if it would be achievable.</flashback>
I understand it, since Estonia was part of the USSR just 15 years ago...K3lvin wrote:Consepts of left and right also vary a lot by country. For example, from Estonian point of view all the major Finnish parties are more or less leftist, even the conservative one. And from Finnish point of view all major Estonian parties seem to vary between right and liberal.
I think a bit like you. I agree with most of the socialist party policy, but not 100%... I don't regret Jospin or Mitterrand for example. I support Chirac in his opposition with the USA, but I am angry with him for other things he has done when he was mayor of Paris...Antti wrote:I don't know really, sometimes I agree with the right wing, sometimes with the left wing. I'm green in moost question but also liberal. That's a big mixture, but it's just me.
Here, I like the Parti Quebecois program in some parts, not in others...
Actually, I have never liked any party very much... I liked Jacques Delors and wanted to vote for him in 1995 but he quit before the election.
I regret the lack of democracy in Europe, where most of the main decisions are taken now.
I didn't know the extreme right was important in Finland. In France, it's been dramatic... Le Pen at the second turn of the elections for president... I could not believe it!Antti wrote: And I'm definately against the extreme right wing. A friend of mine turned to extreme right this winter and we've had some quarrels later on, I'm trying to make good opposites for his arguments. But it's easy for him, he is into organisations that give him premade ideals and arguments while I try to knock them down by myself
I was, but you know... It's also part of the democracy.micro wrote:I'm tired about politicians throwing mud at each other (with words) instead of just doing their work.
The democrats don't even dare to tell they disagree with Bush's policy... They don't throw mud but they have a weak right of speach...
Here, in Quebec, I was surprised that the winner thanks the loser after the election "for the quality of the debate, etc..." They don't throw mud but people are bored. There is not much debate neither...
When there is a general agreement on everything, there is no more discussion... and we choose a politician for the colour of his tie, because he plays the saxophone or because his father has already been president... And 50% of the people don't even go to vote.
Maybe it's because the difference is no more between right and left: liberals / socialists ; capitalists / communists... but more between federalists / nationalists , I don't know...
The debate was boring here (in Quebec) for the last elections. People were not interested in the debate... but tell about an independant Quebec, Quebec inside Canada, talk about the war in Irak, about the euro, about Maastricht... and everybody has his point of view.
Maybe our politicians should focus the debate on the good subjects.
Today, I think they are: the enlargement, which Europe do we want, what kind of relations with the USA, what solutions for pollution, what solution against poverty (especialy in the Thirld World), what can we do to prevent us from a economical disaster when all the baby boomers are in age of retirement... etc... In France, they are so old that they might not have seen yet the world is not the same since the 60s...
No, it is not very important here, yet. It's pulling more and more people in, especially younger people. But they have along way to come, there is currently only one party in our parliament that can be considered to be in the extreme right(or they are nationalistic, like all the rightists say here) and they have only 3 seats out of the 200.Olivier wrote:I didn't know the extreme right was important in Finland. In France, it's been dramatic... Le Pen at the second turn of the elections for president... I could not believe it!Antti wrote: And I'm definately against the extreme right wing. A friend of mine turned to extreme right this winter and we've had some quarrels later on, I'm trying to make good opposites for his arguments. But it's easy for him, he is into organisations that give him premade ideals and arguments while I try to knock them down by myself
And most of the people in the western world, like Finland, are old and just getting older so support from the young people is not going to be enough in the near future.
They seem at least to be polite in Canada. The German politicians we can watch in talk shows on TV are vain like film stars (but uglierOlivier wrote:Here, in Quebec, I was surprised that the winner thanks the loser after the election "for the quality of the debate, etc..."
) and talk to their opponents as if they were mentally handicapped. The politicians of both sides (government and opposition) should instead focus on the problems they have to solve. And Germany has a lot of problems as it has an exploding unemployment rate and is now the country with the worst economy in the euro zone.
We have a stupid construct here called Bundesrat, a council of the administrations of the 16 federal states. Most of the time the opposition has majority in the Bundesrat and can block laws and actions of the governing party. This makes Germany kind of politically petrified.
