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Poland in EMU on 1st January 2012

Postby ART » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:18 am

http://euobserver.com/9/27010


Financial crisis builds Polish euro-entry momentum

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28.10.2008

The financial crisis is building momentum for Poland to swiftly join the EU's single currency on 1 January 2012, with a positive political climate for the euro also developing in the Nordic states.

"The world crisis has shown that it's safer to be with the strong, among the strong and to have influence on the decisions of the strong," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Monday (27 October), adding that his pro-euro policy is "not based on any orthodoxy, any ideology" of deepening EU integration.

The remarks came after a meeting with the chief of Poland's main opposition party, Law and Justice head Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who opposes an early entry date and wants Poland to hold a referendum on the move.

"I am not excluding that Poland's entry into the euro zone could be played out in a referendum," Mr Tusk said, PAP reports. "The suggestion of a calendar to change the constitution [to allow the currency shift] and then a referendum is worth considering, but it would have to take place fast."

The Polish government is on Tuesday expected to finalise a roadmap for meeting its 2012 target and to present the document to President Lech Kaczynski before launching talks with the European Commission.

The country will aim to join the ERM2 mechanism - which limits the fluctuation of the Polish zloty to within 15 percent of the value of the euro - by June next year.

Polish parliamentary speaker Bronislaw Komorowski on Tuesday said that any euro referendum could only concern when the single currency is to be adopted, not if, since Poland legally obliged itself to join the eurozone in its 2004 EU accession treaty.

The Polish zloty dived by over 10 percent against the EU's single currency in recent days amid fears of a coming recession.

US bank JP Morgan on Monday also warned in a report that the zloty is even more vulnerable than the Hungarian forint due to an imbalance in foreign debt and foreign currency reserves, indicating that Poland may need to borrow €10 billion from the IMF next year.

Economists from other banks, including ING and Societe Generale, told Poland's Rzeczpospolita that the JP Morgan analysis was flawed. But opinion surveys show ordinary Poles have the crisis on their minds, with 70 percent of people saying Poland should join the euro in a GfK Polonia poll.

Nordic rethink

The reaction to the crisis in non-EU country Iceland has been even more extreme, with the Icelandic krona losing over 40 percent of its value and Reykjavik being forced to seek €5 billion in international loans to avoid bankruptcy.

Almost 69 percent of Icelanders want to join the EU and 72.5 percent want to swap the krona for the euro, according to a poll out Monday in the Frettabladid newspaper. Approval for EU entry was at 55 percent before the financial storm hit.

"Icelanders are starting to have doubts about their krona. An increasing number think the only solution is to act with other countries and not in isolation," Iceland's Institute of Economic Studies chief Gunnar Haraldsson told AFP.

Denmark and Sweden, which rejected the euro in recent referendums, have also begun a fresh debate, with the Swedish krona losing 7 percent of its value against the euro.

"I think to some extent, there will be a more friendly euro environment after this sharp decline in the currency. It could be an issue in Sweden's elections in 2010," SEB bank chief economist Haakan Frisen told the French newswire.
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Re: Poland in EMU on 1st January 2012

Postby tabbs » Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:12 pm

Only proves how moody and fickle we humans tend to be. :mrgreen: Bad crisis? Hey, let's be under the euro roof. Crisis over? Hey, we're better off without it. Frankly, I am not in favor of any country joining Euroland on such a basis. It is difficult enough for the existing members to get their act together ...

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Re: Poland in EMU on 1st January 2012

Postby Phaseolus » Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:30 pm

tabbs wrote:Only proves how moody and fickle we humans tend to be. :mrgreen: Bad crisis? Hey, let's be under the euro roof. Crisis over? Hey, we're better off without it. Frankly, I am not in favor of any country joining Euroland on such a basis. It is difficult enough for the existing members to get their act together ...

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I share your viewpoint.

It's a bit easy to come along when you are introubles.

This sounds like the situation in Iceland...

When there is no problem, they don't want to share any of their fish ressources, and then we should accept them in th Euro-system
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Re: Poland in EMU on 1st January 2012

Postby ART » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:20 am

tabbs wrote:Only proves how moody and fickle we humans tend to be. :mrgreen: Bad crisis? Hey, let's be under the euro roof. Crisis over? Hey, we're better off without it.


This reproach is perfectly comprensible but… we cannot slam the door in face to others in spite. Iceland, Denmark and Poland have demonstrated and openly admitted in obvious way who were the idiots between euro-users and who refuse euro : they already had a sufficient "lesson".
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Re: Poland in EMU on 1st January 2012

Postby tabbs » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:05 pm

Nobody wants to close any doors here, I think (or rather hope). But it would make a lot of sense in my opinion to be a little careful: If the number of people in Iceland, for example, who support joining the EU suddenly rises significantly due to the current crisis, that may be a short term mood. Similarly, developing new euro adoption plans during this phase of trouble or turmoil is not exactly a good idea. Now if, in a couple of years and in a hopefully more stable economic situation, people (say, in Denmark, Poland and Sweden) still believe that introducing the euro would be a good thing, sure, they can join provided that the convergence criteria are met. In Poland for example there could be a referendum on the day of the 2010 presidential election ...

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