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Post by lmviterbo » Fri Jan 28, 2005 3:17 pm

Just a test:

50. Helder Rodrigues Araujo ( 11 ) 26-06-2003 582 793 1,363 41,47 497,7 [not seen in past 30 days]
13. ( 16 ) Luis Constantino &&&&Ið 06-08-2004 175 1064 6,080 185,06 2220,7
20. ( 14 ) imhoteplisboa &&&&&&f- 10-05-2004 263 1142 4,342 132,16 1586,0 [not seen in past 30 days]


(Still have to fill the spaces to force a "right-align" on figure columns...)

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Post by lmviterbo » Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:05 am

01. ( 01 ) febra &&&&&&&&&&&&к 14-12-2004 0068 06643 97,691 2973,41 35681,0
02. ( ** ) Jorge Pires &&&&&&&&'з 04-02-2005 0016 00601 37,563 1143,29 13719,4
03. ( 02 ) alfe &&&&&&&&&&&&-Ή 25-09-2002 0879 24134 27,456 0835,68 10028,2
04. ( 03 ) paulo67 &&&&&&&&&&G 06-12-2003 0442 07478 16,919 0514,95 06179,4
05. ( 05 ) el_motedura &&&&&&&ir 06-06-2002 0990 12310 12,434 0378,46 04541,6
06. ( 04 ) cmve &&&&&&&&&&&fÆ 30-08-2002 0905 11210 12,387 0377,01 04524,2
07. ( 06 ) Elio &&&&&&&&&&&&:Ж 05-01-2004 0412 04185 10,158 0309,17 03710,0
08. ( 07 ) Ordep &&&&&&&&&&&,ц 30-04-2004 0296 02907 09,821 0298,92 03587,0
09. ( 10 ) edmelga &&&&&&&&&:ш 21-09-2004 0152 01409 09,270 0282,14 03385,7
10. ( 09 ) peça &&&&&&&&&&&&jэ 12-05-2004 0284 02439 08,588 0261,39 03136,7
11. ( 08 ) Pai_Natal &&&&&&&&ζฒ 20-09-2004 0153 01191 07,784 0236,93 02843,2
12. ( 11 ) spikyxpto &&&&&&&&&K 04-11-2002 0839 05794 06,906 0210,19 02522,3
13. ( 12 ) [[[[x]]]] &&&&&&&&&& ' 11-09-2002 0893 06110 06,842 0208,25 02499,0
14. ( 13 ) Luis Constantino &&&&Щ 06-08-2004 0198 01320 06,667 0202,91 02435,0
15. ( 29 ) fernandes &&&&&&&&łฒ 20-05-2004 0276 01782 06,457 0196,52 02358,2 -- NEW --
16. ( 14 ) MiguelCosta &&&&&&&jฆ 20-08-2003 0550 03397 06,176 0187,99 02255,9
17. ( 15 ) Vitor Hilário &&&&&&&jฆ 25-03-2003 0698 03716 05,324 0162,04 01944,5
18. ( 16 ) felk &&&&&&&&&&&&łW 20-09-2004 0153 00796 05,203 0158,35 01900,2 -- NEW --
19. ( 17 ) golfinha &&&&&&&&&:Љ 11-03-2004 0346 01715 04,957 0150,86 01810,4
20. ( 18 ) Ana Silva &&&&&&&&&'บ 08-07-2003 0593 02535 04,275 0130,11 01561,4 [not seen in past 30 days]


Ghost characters calculated with the help of Kevin J. Macdonald's TrueType Explorer v 4.0. Widths double-checked, no idea where the problem is. Why are columns slightly unaligned? :?

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Post by Dakkus » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:00 am

lmviterbo wrote:01. ( 01 ) febra &&&&&&&&&&&&к 14-12-2004 0068 06643 97,691 2973,41 35681,0
02. ( ** ) Jorge Pires &&&&&&&&'з 04-02-2005 0016 00601 37,563 1143,29 13719,4
03. ( 02 ) alfe &&&&&&&&&&&&-Ή 25-09-2002 0879 24134 27,456 0835,68 10028,2
04. ( 03 ) paulo67 &&&&&&&&&&G 06-12-2003 0442 07478 16,919 0514,95 06179,4
05. ( 05 ) el_motedura &&&&&&&ir 06-06-2002 0990 12310 12,434 0378,46 04541,6
06. ( 04 ) cmve &&&&&&&&&&&fÆ 30-08-2002 0905 11210 12,387 0377,01 04524,2
07. ( 06 ) Elio &&&&&&&&&&&&:Ж 05-01-2004 0412 04185 10,158 0309,17 03710,0
08. ( 07 ) Ordep &&&&&&&&&&&,ц 30-04-2004 0296 02907 09,821 0298,92 03587,0
09. ( 10 ) edmelga &&&&&&&&&:ш 21-09-2004 0152 01409 09,270 0282,14 03385,7
10. ( 09 ) peça &&&&&&&&&&&&jэ 12-05-2004 0284 02439 08,588 0261,39 03136,7
11. ( 08 ) Pai_Natal &&&&&&&&ζฒ 20-09-2004 0153 01191 07,784 0236,93 02843,2
12. ( 11 ) spikyxpto &&&&&&&&&K 04-11-2002 0839 05794 06,906 0210,19 02522,3
13. ( 12 ) [[[[x]]]] &&&&&&&&&& ' 11-09-2002 0893 06110 06,842 0208,25 02499,0
14. ( 13 ) Luis Constantino &&&&Щ 06-08-2004 0198 01320 06,667 0202,91 02435,0
15. ( 29 ) fernandes &&&&&&&&łฒ 20-05-2004 0276 01782 06,457 0196,52 02358,2 -- NEW --
16. ( 14 ) MiguelCosta &&&&&&&jฆ 20-08-2003 0550 03397 06,176 0187,99 02255,9
17. ( 15 ) Vitor Hilário &&&&&&&jฆ 25-03-2003 0698 03716 05,324 0162,04 01944,5
18. ( 16 ) felk &&&&&&&&&&&&łW 20-09-2004 0153 00796 05,203 0158,35 01900,2 -- NEW --
19. ( 17 ) golfinha &&&&&&&&&:Љ 11-03-2004 0346 01715 04,957 0150,86 01810,4
20. ( 18 ) Ana Silva &&&&&&&&&'บ 08-07-2003 0593 02535 04,275 0130,11 01561,4 [not seen in past 30 days]


Ghost characters calculated with the help of Kevin J. Macdonald's TrueType Explorer v 4.0. Widths double-checked, no idea where the problem is. Why are columns slightly unaligned? :?
The program you used for finding out the ghost char thing probably has different font or different font spaces from what they are in web browsers. That means the letters are either further away from each other or closer to each other than "in reality".
Since different people have different fonts anyway (depending on their operating system (possibly even windows version) and web browser), playing with ghost characters like you've done can almost never work correctly.
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Post by lmviterbo » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:40 am

Dakkus wrote:The program you used for finding out the ghost char thing probably has different font or different font spaces from what they are in web browsers.
Well, if it does, it wasn't supposed to. I used widths for Tahoma Bold and I am almost 100% sure that the font I'm seeing here is indeed Tahoma (Bold when "bolded", of course :)). In fact I have no idea why it should be Tahoma, since my browser (Firefox) is set to use Arial as default, and I can't see Tahoma mentioned on the Page Source. But I checked carefully letter by letter, and double-checked on Identifont, Linotype's Font Finder and Jacci Howard Bear's "Lookalike Fonts". I'm guessing that Tahoma is part of phpBB's subSilver style, since I see exactly the same on both Firefox and IE6.0.
Dakkus wrote:Since different people have different fonts anyway (depending on their operating system (possibly even windows version) and web browser), playing with ghost characters like you've done can almost never work correctly.
You may have a very good point here. I just assumed it would be the same for everyone because, as I said, I see the same on both Firefox and IE6.0...

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Post by lmviterbo » Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:05 pm

What a moron I am! It is Verdana, not Tahoma! Just open it in Word... Well, obsessed as I am, now I may insist on doing this with Verdana's widths...

Sorry for the trouble, Dakkus :)

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Post by lmviterbo » Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:24 am

Well, alright, I'm stubborn but still don't feel like going to an institution. I quit. Even with Verdana this doesn't look perfect... :cry: :cry: :cry:

01. ( 01 ) ( 07 ) febra ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ⁄И 14-12-2004 0068 06643 97,691 2973,41 35681,0
03. ( 02 ) ( 01 ) alfe ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ-Ψ 25-09-2002 0879 24134 27,456 0835,68 10028,2
05. ( 05 ) ( 03 ) el_motedura ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ'Έ 06-06-2002 0990 12310 12,434 0378,46 04541,6
06. ( 04 ) ( 02 ) cmve ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣľъ 30-08-2002 0905 11210 12,387 0377,01 04524,2
07. ( 06 ) ( 08 ) Elio ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣτ@ 05-01-2004 0412 04185 10,158 0309,17 03710,0
09. ( 10 ) ( 38 ) edmelga ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ-љ 21-09-2004 0152 01409 09,270 0282,14 03385,7
13. ( 12 ) ( 05 ) [[[[x]]]] ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣj# 11-09-2002 0893 06110 06,842 0208,25 02499,0
15. ( 29 ) ( 46 ) fernandes ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣłΨ 20-05-2004 0276 01782 06,457 0196,52 02358,2 -- NEW --
18. ( 16 ) ( 55 ) felk ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ▪Æ 20-09-2004 0153 00796 05,203 0158,35 01900,2 -- NEW --
20. ( 18 ) ( 16 ) Ana Silva ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ′C 08-07-2003 0593 02535 04,275 0130,11 01561,4 [not seen in past 30 days]
21. ( 21 ) ( 43 ) bocky ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ'с 06-07-2004 0229 00973 04,249 0129,32 01551,9
22. ( 19 ) ( 21 ) FANTAS ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣre 05-11-2003 0473 01984 04,195 0127,67 01532,0
28. ( 24 ) ( 12 ) codi ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ⁄Ч 02-10-2002 0872 03158 03,622 0110,23 01322,7
29. ( 27 ) ( 10 ) BossaNova ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ!ℓ 24-02-2002 1092 03528 03,231 0098,33 01180,0
33. ( 28 ) ( 14 ) brunorodrigues ΣΣΣΣΣΣ!□ 29-08-2002 0906 02817 03,109 0094,64 01135,6 [not seen in past 30 days]
37. ( 35 ) ( 17 ) ag_pt ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ'k 09-05-2002 1018 02437 02,394 0072,86 00874,4
38. ( 36 ) ( 24 ) BogPoet ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ▪ς 14-04-2003 0678 01592 02,348 0071,47 00857,6
40. ( 39 ) ( 36 ) analydia ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣoO 02-10-2003 0507 01103 02,176 0066,22 00794,6 [not seen in past 30 days]
42. ( 40 ) ( 23 ) Bartjan ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣł! 10-12-2002 0803 01685 02,098 0063,87 00766,4
43. ( 41 ) ( 22 ) acsp ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣłŁ 29-08-2002 0906 01814 02,002 0060,94 00731,3 [not seen in past 30 days]
45. ( 43 ) ( 30 ) Blackeye ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ′φ 09-04-2003 0683 01257 01,840 0056,02 00672,2 [not seen in past 30 days]
47. ( 45 ) ( 42 ) AMAGP ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣ′ľ 19-08-2003 0551 00919 01,668 0050,76 00609,2
49. ( 48 ) ( 45 ) CAMFL ΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣΣfB 08-09-2003 0531 00838 01,578 0048,03 00576,4


Time to move for another strategy. Thinking of working with a fixed width font and space filling with a Word macro... 8)

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Post by Nivram » Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:56 pm

I've been searching for a possibility to do tables in this forum.
This solution is really good!

I don't mind so much about the allignment. but what bothers me is the characters that can still be seen if you use a different background.

Isn't there a color=background possibility ?
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Post by Dakkus » Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:01 am

Nivram wrote:I've been searching for a possibility to do tables in this forum.
This solution is really good!

I don't mind so much about the allignment. but what bothers me is the characters that can still be seen if you use a different background.

Isn't there a color=background possibility ?
Then why not change the text colour depending on the background colour? It's not a big deal.
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Post by Nivram » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:53 am

Dakkus wrote:
Nivram wrote:I've been searching for a possibility to do tables in this forum.
This solution is really good!

I don't mind so much about the allignment. but what bothers me is the characters that can still be seen if you use a different background.

Isn't there a color=background possibility ?
Then why not change the text colour depending on the background colour? It's not a big deal.
Because when someone quotes it, it gets a different background color and you can see it again...

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Post by Dakkus » Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:55 pm

Nivram wrote:
Dakkus wrote:
Nivram wrote:I've been searching for a possibility to do tables in this forum.
This solution is really good!

I don't mind so much about the allignment. but what bothers me is the characters that can still be seen if you use a different background.

Isn't there a color=background possibility ?
Then why not change the text colour depending on the background colour? It's not a big deal.
Because when someone quotes it, it gets a different background color and you can see it again...
That's a problem only with content that someone might want to quote. And even then, you can just add a small text line in the end, telling what the quoter must do to make the things invisible again.
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Post by Raurakgan » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:54 pm

Hallo @ all,

kenne ein Forum in dem die Befehle table, row und col zur Verfügung stehen, vielleicht sollte man die hier auch zur Verfügung stellen, damit kann man Tabellen erstellen.


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Post by lmviterbo » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:09 am

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