Lithuanian vienas du trys
Latvian viens divi trīs
Icelandic einn tveir þrír
Finnish yksi kaksi kolme
Estonian üks kaks kolm
Vatja ühsi kahsi kõlmõd
Liv iks kaks kuolm
Veps üks' kaks' koume
Saami, Luleå akta kuokte kål'må
Saami, Inari ohta kyehti kulma
Mordva, Ersa vejke kavto kolmo
Mordva, Moksa ifkä kafta kolma
Mari ikyt kokyt kumyt
Udmurt odig kik kvin'
Komi öti kyk kuim
Hungary egy kettö hãrom
Mansi akva kityg hurum
Hanti it katyn hutym
Tundranenetsis ngopoy syida nyaxsr
Forrestnenetsis ngup sicha nyaaxas
Nganasan ngu"oi siti nagür
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Those are Finno-Ugric languagesturtle wrote:
what are all that languages? the first 5, the saami ones and the hungaric ok...but the rest? are that dialects or what?
and you're not going to tell me that you all know that by heart or what ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages
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The ones I could remember by heart at that moment and weren't already mentioned in your posts where in the first list. (the post above the post with the bigger listing).turtle wrote:8O 8O
what are all that languages? the first 5, the saami ones and the hungaric ok...but the rest? are that dialects or what? 8O
and you're not going to tell me that you all know that by heart or what ? 8O :P
The languages in the big list are all Uralic, which means they are close relatives of Finnish language. Originally some one fourth to one third of nowaday's Russian territory spoke Finnish-related languages and the actual Russia wasn't much bigger than France is now. The parts of nowaday's Russian territory that weren't Uralic were Altaic. (The only example you know of Altaic languages is Turkish) But starting from the middle ages the slavic people gained control over the whole Sibiria, pushing the Uralic and Altaic cultures under their rule.
There is still a good amount of Uralic languages left in Siberia, but as Russia is actively merging the Uralic tribes into mainstream Russians, they are dying fast. They have been actively assimilating the other cultures for the last couple of centuries. That included Finnish, but thanks to the earlier Swedish rule and the international problems Russia had, such as first world war, the Finnish language was left existent.
Almost all of those Finnish-related languages you can see in the list are dying very fast, thanks to active nationalistic politics in Russia.
It's very hard finding a good map of Uralic languages, because Samojed languagages separated from the Finno-Ugric family already some 4000 years ago. There are good present-day maps of Finno-Ugric languages, but even they don't show the historical situation very well.
However, I was able to gather up a pile of maps that might together give you an idea of what the situation has been in the time of vikings :)
http://www.verbix.com/imag/map_uralic_languages.gif <== The situation in the present day. As you can see, especially the Mordva language has dissolved into very small areas. In the past the areas have been one, and reached also further than they now do.
http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/images/langua1_b.jpg <== This one looks nicer and better shows the original areas where Uralic languages have been spoken, but unfortunately contains at least one mistake: I am sure Slovenian language is not Uralic...
http://uralica.com/samoyed.htm <== This map shows that slightly before the times of the Roman Empire the Uralic languages reached close to Mongolia.
http://ugri.info/ <== The main page of this site includes a map on which you can see the populations of different Ugric cultures in present day by pointing the language names with the mouse. Compare those to the size of your home city.. The site also contains a lot of interesting information.
http://uralica.com/finmaps.htm <== A pile of other maps.
http://estonians.ugri.info/eng/peoples/ ... es/culture <== This page is just plain cool! :)
Some other information about Uralic languages (mostly only about the Finno-Ugric ones of them, though :/) can be found here.
These are the parts of that site I personally found most interesting:
http://uralica.com/fgpeople.htm
http://uralica.com/langclas.htm
http://uralica.com/fincoop.htm
BTW, in Hungarian language the sound of k has turned in to h. That's why három doesn't look that much like "kolme". Knowing that, I'd say L turning into R is quite normal. Those sounds are pretty alike, after all. With these two changes we've got a word like this: "kálom". Say it aloud and you'll notice :)
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woh big post
but yea i knew about the finno-ugrich languages, but not thát exactly
And nice links, and about that link about the tolkien, i knew that! he had been learning (old-, at least i presume) finnish just to read the kalevala or?
but with that három and kolme hm yep when you look at that like that..but then you can compare some spanish and dutch words maybe too But still funny to see both languages have probably the same origin
but yea i knew about the finno-ugrich languages, but not thát exactly
And nice links, and about that link about the tolkien, i knew that! he had been learning (old-, at least i presume) finnish just to read the kalevala or?
but with that három and kolme hm yep when you look at that like that..but then you can compare some spanish and dutch words maybe too But still funny to see both languages have probably the same origin
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