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Post by tiura » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:33 pm

My most favored weekend wasn't on the list, but I voted any way. If the meeting isn't on that weekend that I voted for, I'm not coming at all, so the amount of votes doesn't mean the same that amount of participants.

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Post by yli » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:05 am

I have to wait if my boss aproves my apply for my summer vacations before I am able to vote.

And after the democratic wheel has turned I am able to deside if it's possible to be at ETBM 2008 at all.


....but parts of my summer holiday plans also include Slovenia :wink:
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Post by starcapitan » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:58 am

voted :D
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Post by sen-chuan » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:33 am

I voted too. Bye!

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Post by eddydevries » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:30 pm

sen-chuan wrote:Bye!
Are you leaving???? :?
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Post by magpie » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:38 pm

eddydevries wrote:
sen-chuan wrote:Bye!
Are you leaving???? :?
Already on the way to EBTM2008...

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Post by sen-chuan » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:15 pm

:lol: of course...... :!:

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Post by avij » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:56 pm

One week remaining to vote -- 84 people have already voted.

An unfortunate fact is that it's simply impossible to find a date which would be suitable for everyone. If a date isn't suitable for you, please rank it below the other more acceptable options. I'm slightly concerned about votes like A>B. While that's a perfectly valid vote, the voting system doesn't know your preference about C, D or E. The "missing options" are not automatically given the lowest ranking. You can still update your vote if you wish.

EDIT: Erm, not quite, actually .. Read on for more information.
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Post by DaBear » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:23 pm

do you know doodle? it's a nice tool to find a suitable date...

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Post by Crazy Bob » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:04 pm

avij wrote:One week remaining to vote -- 84 people have already voted.

An unfortunate fact is that it's simply impossible to find a date which would be suitable for everyone. If a date isn't suitable for you, please rank it below the other more acceptable options. I'm slightly concerned about votes like A>B. While that's a perfectly valid vote, the voting system doesn't know your preference about C, D or E. The "missing options" are not automatically given the lowest ranking. You can still update your vote if you wish.
I think people who vote A>B don't care about C, D or E (not able to make those dates anyhow), so why should they vote for dates they cannot attend?
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Post by Dakkus » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:09 pm

Crazy Bob wrote:
avij wrote:One week remaining to vote -- 84 people have already voted.

An unfortunate fact is that it's simply impossible to find a date which would be suitable for everyone. If a date isn't suitable for you, please rank it below the other more acceptable options. I'm slightly concerned about votes like A>B. While that's a perfectly valid vote, the voting system doesn't know your preference about C, D or E. The "missing options" are not automatically given the lowest ranking. You can still update your vote if you wish.
I think people who vote A>B don't care about C, D or E (not able to make those dates anyhow), so why should they vote for dates they cannot attend?
Basically the dates with worst points are considered "impossible" by the voting algorithm.
If you think that A is nice, B is okay and the rest are impossible, you should vote
A>B>C=D=E=F

If you vote A>B and nothing else, then the system understands your vote about this way:

A is possible, B is impossible.

Of course Avij could just assume that the empty ones would be considered lowest.

Therefore, if someone voted A>B, it would be translated to A>B>C=D=E=F by the server. But since that is not what happens right now, it would be a good idea for people mentioning the impossible dates, too.
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Post by eddydevries » Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:24 pm

But Dakkus, the point is:

A>B can also mean: "A yes, B no, C, D and E maybe".
Than it should be readed as: A>C=D=E>B.

So you can't just assume, the possibilities not voted are the least liked.
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Post by androl » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:18 am

eddydevries wrote:A>B ... should be readed as: A>C=D=E>B.
as I understand the condorcet counting website, if you enter A>B, it implies A>B>C=D=E
for example, if you enter:
B>A
C>A
D>A
E>A
F>A

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Post by avij » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:25 am

Interesting, androl is indeed apparently right. The votes

B>A
C>A
D>A
E>A

and

B>A>C=D=E
C>A>B=D=E
D>A>B=C=E
E>A>B=C=D

seem to give equivalent answers (verbosity: Tell me everything). This is a slightly unexpected side effect, but given the current situation, I don't think this will harm the integrity of the vote. This "feature" will need to be taken into account in the next polls, though. I'd still recommend ranking each option explicitly, just to avoid any ambiguities.

As for the decision making process, any actual decisions regarding the date poll for Summer EBTM08 have been and will be made by b100w11 & co. I'm merely a technical assistant in running the poll, having written the scripts residing in /vote.
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Re: Vote the date of the Summer EBTM08 in Ljubljana

Post by eddydevries » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:39 pm

b100w11 wrote:The poll will run until midnight of Sunday the 27th January 2008.

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I'm sorry to ask, but with "midnight" it has two possibilities (because it's the border between two days).

Do you mean the midnight starting 27th January (like I usually think), or the midnight ending the 27th January?

If it's the first one: the "lines are closed", so we know which dates have won.
If it's the second one: there are a few hours left to vote (and we can advertise for people to vote).
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