€ bill aquisition strategies
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€ bill aquisition strategies
I´m only very new here at EBT, but after solving a few minor inital problems, I think I spotted one of the fundamental obstacles in € bill tracking: where to get the money from?
As I´m not working in a shop or bank, I´ll have to use my own € notes to submit. Unlucky their number is pretty limited. After I dismissed prostitution or bank robbery as a too drastic measure after only 2 weeks of membership, I started to think how to utilize the little rescources I have in the best possible way - meaning that a maximum number of banknotes goes through my hands.
This is what I came up with so far:
1.- Stop using my credit card.
2.- Get a stack of €20 notes, register them here.
3.- Pay everything under €10 with a €20 note.
4.- Register the change, throw the coins in a box.
5.- Pay everything over €10 with that change
6.- Occassionally take the box with the coins to a bank and get them changed into €20 notes, to be registered and reenter the cirle.
If anybody knows further tips - I´m open for suggestions.
As I´m not working in a shop or bank, I´ll have to use my own € notes to submit. Unlucky their number is pretty limited. After I dismissed prostitution or bank robbery as a too drastic measure after only 2 weeks of membership, I started to think how to utilize the little rescources I have in the best possible way - meaning that a maximum number of banknotes goes through my hands.
This is what I came up with so far:
1.- Stop using my credit card.
2.- Get a stack of €20 notes, register them here.
3.- Pay everything under €10 with a €20 note.
4.- Register the change, throw the coins in a box.
5.- Pay everything over €10 with that change
6.- Occassionally take the box with the coins to a bank and get them changed into €20 notes, to be registered and reenter the cirle.
If anybody knows further tips - I´m open for suggestions.
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Make an agreement with a owner of a shop; you give him/her for example 10 and he give you back other 10 .
This again, again every day
This again, again every day
"sö questa vita che vìvum de sfroos,
sö questa vita che sògnum de sfroos,
in questa nòcc che prègum de sfroos."
My statistics - 30.000 notes
sö questa vita che sògnum de sfroos,
in questa nòcc che prègum de sfroos."
My statistics - 30.000 notes
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@haemoglobin: thanks for the link! Interesting read, I may post a german version of my original post there.
@GNUGNU: thanks, I have been concedering that too. Thing is I dont know any shop owners close enough that I would dare to bug them with such stuff.
Generally... most of the tips in the german thread, as well as GNUGNUs tip, suggest simply changing money 1:1 somewhere. That is of course a good way to register a lot of notes. But what I had in mind was, to make the most out of the money you have to spend anyway. I know, its a painful thought - but thats what life is like...
So much of our daily life´s money traffic is already done without cash, so I´d like to use the bit of cash I have in a way that it gives me the max number of notes to register. And that without being a pain to some poor shop personel, if possible.
@GNUGNU: thanks, I have been concedering that too. Thing is I dont know any shop owners close enough that I would dare to bug them with such stuff.
Generally... most of the tips in the german thread, as well as GNUGNUs tip, suggest simply changing money 1:1 somewhere. That is of course a good way to register a lot of notes. But what I had in mind was, to make the most out of the money you have to spend anyway. I know, its a painful thought - but thats what life is like...
So much of our daily life´s money traffic is already done without cash, so I´d like to use the bit of cash I have in a way that it gives me the max number of notes to register. And that without being a pain to some poor shop personel, if possible.
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Of course it depends on the person, but many people actually are happy when you "are a pain to them". That means being helpful. Many people (for example me) really enjoy helping other people. If you've got a hobby you love, there sure is someone out there, who is willing to help you achieve your goals in that hobby :)Beatminister wrote:And that without being a pain to some poor shop personel, if possible. ;)
You can also start working as kind of a money exchange bureau. I don't know how it is in Germany, but in Finland the shops have a dramatic shortage of 5€ and 10€ notes. If you can make an agreement (and keep your part of it!) that you bring them 5€ and 10€ notes for example once a week, changing them for their bigger notes, you will get a lot of serial numbers and will also end up helping the poor shopkeepers, who otherwise have to go to a bank to change their money.
Especially in Sundays the shops really need such a service, because the banks won't change them any money then.
So, if you change your money every sunday, you will have one week to split the notes into fivers and tenners. You can do that in big shops that have less problems with the shortage of small notes.
And remember, there usually is NOTHING bad in paying with a big note. If even one customer has already paid with a 50€ note, paying with 100€ poses no bigger problem for the shop than paying with a 50€ note.
If already three customers have paid with 50€ notes before you, even 200€ can't cause the shop any problems. And then, with 9 customers having paid with a 50€ note, the shop can very well accept your 500€ note :)
Just make sure you never buy stuff so much that their price climbs over five euros ;)
Oh, and you will get the initial stock of 5€ and 10€ notes from your own bank by withdrawing the note. Just say "Good day. I would like to withdraw one thousand euros as fivers and tenners, please. Six hundred as tenners and four hundred as fivers" and show your ID card.
Every now and then you will also have to withdraw some new notes to fill your stock when you have spent too much money and don't have any fivers and tenners left to spend. The banks will also be happy to change your bigger notes directly into fivers and tenners, as long as you keep their amount reasonably low.
If they refuse, then simply put the money on your own bank account and then immediatelly withdraw them as fivers and tenners :)
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Beatminister, you're a very lucky person: you live in Germany! Here you have tens of thousands of bank offices filled with notes to enter. Just withdraw some (few hundreds) money from your account and begin to change money in banks. It's very easy here (even without an account with the specific bank) even for foreigners like me! I have entered thousands of notes just in seven weeks here (but I'm a crazy person)!
This is the way of the extrem users. There always also the normal way, but that's not interesting...
This is the way of the extrem users. There always also the normal way, but that's not interesting...
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@Dakkus: as I said, I dont know any shop owners well enough to suggest some money juggling.
I think the shortage of 5ers and 10ers is not so bad here, so I´m not sure how they would react on such offer.
And I just dont want to cause extra work for the people in shops - not everybody is a owner, and they have enough to do for little money.
A few days ago I made a test in a bakery nearby, and bought 2 rolls for 30 cent paying with a €20 note. The girl was polite and changed it without a problem, but when I walked out I heard that she had to go to the shop next door to change some money. That made me feel guilty somehow. Next day I apologized and she told me that just on that morning several people had payed with bigger notes. I rather not told her that I caused her trouble just for my hobby...
@Klazu
I´ve just come out of therapy that cured me from excessive boincomania, and now it seems I´m slipping straight into the next adiction...
But I will fight it and limit myself to the normal use of money (with the strategy I described above) without exhausting exchange actions.
I think the shortage of 5ers and 10ers is not so bad here, so I´m not sure how they would react on such offer.
And I just dont want to cause extra work for the people in shops - not everybody is a owner, and they have enough to do for little money.
A few days ago I made a test in a bakery nearby, and bought 2 rolls for 30 cent paying with a €20 note. The girl was polite and changed it without a problem, but when I walked out I heard that she had to go to the shop next door to change some money. That made me feel guilty somehow. Next day I apologized and she told me that just on that morning several people had payed with bigger notes. I rather not told her that I caused her trouble just for my hobby...
@Klazu
I´ve just come out of therapy that cured me from excessive boincomania, and now it seems I´m slipping straight into the next adiction...
But I will fight it and limit myself to the normal use of money (with the strategy I described above) without exhausting exchange actions.
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20€ notes are indeed a problem for small shops, but for the bigger ones they are not. So, as long as you keep the size of the shop in mind when deciding which note to use, trying to use big notes should be ok.Beatminister wrote:@Dakkus: as I said, I dont know any shop owners well enough to suggest some money juggling.
I think the shortage of 5ers and 10ers is not so bad here, so I´m not sure how they would react on such offer. ;)
And I just dont want to cause extra work for the people in shops - not everybody is a owner, and they have enough to do for little money.
A few days ago I made a test in a bakery nearby, and bought 2 rolls for 30 cent paying with a €20 note. The girl was polite and changed it without a problem, but when I walked out I heard that she had to go to the shop next door to change some money. That made me feel guilty somehow. Next day I apologized and she told me that just on that morning several people had payed with bigger notes. I rather not told her that I caused her trouble just for my hobby...
And BTW, the shop you had caused problems to is one potential place to change your fivers into something easier to carry. If they have had that problem once, they probably will have it several times also in the future :)
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If you read French, you will find additional tricks here
In Germany, I go to SpielBank or other casinos, enter my bills in the slotmachines and push "cash out" and get coins, that I transform again in bills at the cashier
In Germany, I go to SpielBank or other casinos, enter my bills in the slotmachines and push "cash out" and get coins, that I transform again in bills at the cashier
You have to use large amounts of coinsPhaseolus wrote:If you read French, you will find additional tricks here
In Germany, I go to SpielBank or other casinos, enter my bills in the slotmachines and push "cash out" and get coins, that I transform again in bills at the cashier
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=22687819
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@golfinha + Dakkus: are usually no problem even in small shops - only if by coincidence several people pay with bigger notes the get into trouble. is - due to the raised prices - basically the same than 20 DM used to be, not small change but not really much, either.
are a bit different already, and also I dont want to carry so much money with me all the time.
@ Phaseolus: sorry, I dont speak french, but thanks anyway!
Well, of course I could get lots of notes from my bank, by paying in and drawing money from my account. I guess it will work a number of times before they start to ask funny questions. But I´m not so desperate yet...
are a bit different already, and also I dont want to carry so much money with me all the time.
@ Phaseolus: sorry, I dont speak french, but thanks anyway!
Well, of course I could get lots of notes from my bank, by paying in and drawing money from my account. I guess it will work a number of times before they start to ask funny questions. But I´m not so desperate yet...
On the occasion of recent events I would like to stress that, if you frequently withdraw, change and deposit significant amounts of money, there is a possibility that you may get questioned about it, perhaps even in the course of preliminary criminal investigations. While you are certainly not doing anything illegal, parts of it (especially the depositing) resemble activities sometimes employed by money launderers, and money laundering would be a criminal offence. Also, while it is not illegal, it is certainly unusual - and it's a very small step from "unusual" to "suspicious". (As we see regularly in SN&U..)
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Money laundry policies are evoluting fastGauss wrote:On the occasion of recent events I would like to stress that, if you frequently withdraw, change and deposit significant amounts of money, there is a possibility that you may get questioned about it, perhaps even in the course of preliminary criminal investigations. While you are certainly not doing anything illegal, parts of it (especially the depositing) resemble activities sometimes employed by money launderers, and money laundering would be a criminal offence. Also, while it is not illegal, it is certainly unusual - and it's a very small step from "unusual" to "suspicious". (As we see regularly in SN&U..)
Every bank is watching more carefully their clients, sometimes they have more stricten procedures than they are obliged to
Here in Portugal, if you make a cash deposit bigger then 12.500€, you must fill a form justifing the origin of the money.
And if you deposit cash everyday, you can be sure you'll be asked something.
Thankfully I work in a bank and I know pretty well the cashiers, so no questions, they already know the why of my strange cash requests
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Not only in Portugal, at least in Germany the limit is also 12500, it might be higher or lower in other European countries, but it is a common practise everywhere.pastel wrote:Here in Portugal, if you make a cash deposit bigger then 12.500€, you must fill a form justifing the origin of the money.
Just listen to Gauss' advise and take it easy whenever your bank account is involved and try everything to avoid the appearance that you do Smurfing. Remember that your bank could be the trigger to a police operation over many months, involving thorough background checks on many aspects of your very private life, which could even end in a situation where you find yourself confronted with police officers knocking on your door in the early mornings with a search warrant (as it recently happened to a German power user). And EBT is certainly not worth THAT.