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Olivier wrote: Very interesting article!
The author is very clear. The situation is critic, actually. I don't think a war in Gulf can make the investors feel secure. :?
.. what would happen if the Fed was forced to increase the intrest rate ?? You see, the USA MUST go to war, it is on the verge of becoming a Banana Republic, and it must absolutely find a means of controlling the oil price... and more important, it must be paid in DOLLARS, no matter how weak the dollar gets ... Imagine, an Oil price paid in Euro's while the dollar loses about 50% of its value ... So, WAR WAR WAR ...
If the USA controls Iraq, then US companies will get Iraqi oil, and thus the Oil will be paid in dollars, which will stabilize the dollar, no matter in what shape the American Economy is ... which will then restore confidence, wich will lead to new investment, which will lead to Europeans and Japanse buying American Stock, which will lead to a stronger dollar, ..., which eventually will lead to a recovering Economy, which will make GW Bush the hero of the day ... WAR solves all problems

Getting a bit cynical here :roll:
the interesting article wrote: If foreign doubts deepen, the damage could result go beyond share prices: The sale of foreign-owned assets in the US could bring a sharp drop in the value of the dollar. That could prompt the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates in an effort to keep dollar investments – especially government bonds – attractive to buyers overseas. Higher rates could damage the economic recovery.

"It is a very dangerous situation," says Jane D'Arista, an economist at the Financial Markets Center, Philomont, Va.
Belgium has experience with huge debt. A huge debt is not really a problem if it does not grow at an exponential rate, and if your currency is stable enough, and if your citizins are rich enough to buy the gouvernment bonds to finance your debt with, for an important part.
All these conditions are met today in Belgium, but there was a time where we had to lend money to finance the "interest" on old loans, which led to an interest-snowball, which was becoming a real problem at at time where interest rates between 9% and 13% were common.

The Euro was a blessing for Belgium, giving us a stable currency.

It is comparing Apples with Bananas :wink: But the USA have a currency which is falling pretty fast (after a long period of being overvalued, but now falling at a speed that is too high to be healthy to anyone), they have a huge debt, they have an economy in bad shape, they have an enormous amount of money being sucked out because of a lack of confidence and collapsing stock exchange (mainly European and Japanese money) They have a huge trade deficid as a consequense. They have on top of that an interest rate which leaves no more room for any action (liquidity trap) but even worse, they may have to raise it, because of the huge debt that needs to be financed one way or the other.

The answer my friend, is WAR :oops: In stead of a "mea culpa" they will get someone elses culpa :evil:
Olivier wrote:he says:
With alternatives sought for and emerging—such as the euro or the plans of a gold-based international currency—the dollar's global role becomes increasingly vulnerable.
The consequences of a markedly diminished position of the US dollar would be dramatic and of global proportions. "

Europe protects itself, with the euro.
No further questions :cry:
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Skylimit wrote: .. what would happen if the Fed was forced to increase the intrest rate ?? You see, the USA MUST go to war, it is on the verge of becoming a Banana Republic, and it must absolutely find a means of controlling the oil price... and more important, it must be paid in DOLLARS, no matter how weak the dollar gets ... Imagine, an Oil price paid in Euro's while the dollar loses about 50% of its value ... So, WAR WAR WAR ...
So, the worst action the Arabs could do for the USA would be to demand they are payed in euros...

if I was Arab, I would put my investments elsewehere than in the USA or UK, where my money can be frozen...
Skylimit wrote: If the USA controls Iraq, then US companies will get Iraqi oil, and thus the Oil will be paid in dollars, which will stabilize the dollar, no matter in what shape the American Economy is .
But even now, that Irak has not been invaded, the iraki oil is sold in dollars...
The program Food for Oil is on. The reason is just that the USA want to control the iraki oil because they fear that the Saudi Arabia don't want to stay under us control...
They can't afford loosing influence there...
Skylimit wrote: WAR solves all problems
Cynic? :wink:

I imagine a short war, but with thousands of dead american soldiers, and dozens of thousands of iraki deads... then, the Kurdistan declares its independance, Turkey invades the north... people escape to Jordan, Syria... and those countries collapse because they lose their major treade partner and have no structure and money to care of the iraki... Israel enjoys the situation to kill Arafat (a lost missile?)...
Iran closes its border because it's afraid of being the next on the list...

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Olivier wrote: But even now, that Irak has not been invaded, the iraki oil is sold in dollars...
I don't know the exact numbers, but I think Iraq has more than 12% of the oil reservers. France and Russia have important positions in Iraq.
Selling in dollar could be questioned one day ... What if both Iraq and Iran would prefer to sell in another currency ?

Iran has suggested this a few times already, and the Arab countries are working on a single currency as well, but the idea is still lightyears away.

With a dollar falling at this rate, this may become a topic to think about ...
And what if the USA becomes an "outlaw" coutry by invading other countries without support of the UN ?
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Skylimit wrote: I don't know the exact numbers, but I think Iraq has more than 12% of the oil reservers. France and Russia have important positions in Iraq.
8% of the iraki oil is for the French. 40% for the Americans. :?

But we don't use as much oil in France as in the USA..
Skylimit wrote: Selling in dollar could be questioned one day ... What if both Iraq and Iran would prefer to sell in another currency ?
That would be good for Europe, bad for the USA... and impossible since the american troops are already located in all the petromonarchies.
Skylimit wrote: And what if the USA becomes an "outlaw" coutry by invading other countries without support of the UN ?
It's exactly the situation... A country invades another one, without the consent of the United Nations... Bush JR does the same than Saddam Hussein did in 1990...

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Olivier wrote: It's exactly the situation... A country invades another one, without the consent of the United Nations... Bush JR does the same than Saddam Hussein did in 1990...
O.
So the next step now is obviously to ask a resolution from the UN to invade the USA, on following grounds :

* The President was NOT democratically elected, but cheated
* The USA does NOT comply with the UN resolutions
* The USA has weapons of mass distruction, which they have threatened to use on many occasions, and today a motion has passed, to use them against Iraq "if this is needed". Even better, the USA is the only country who ever tried a nuclear weapon on a "live audience". They have biological, chemical and nuclear weapons.
* There is no freedom of speech in the USA, those who speak out against war are put on a black list, former allies are being threatened with "consequenses" if they don't help them invade other countries
* The USA does not accept protocols like Kyoto and the international Court of Justice in The Hague, stronger, they have a plan to invade Holland if ever an American is convicted
*The USA supports countries that commit terrorist acts (Israël)

They have exactly ONE WEEK to comply with this resolution, otherwise the consequenses will be "very real". (But even if they fully comply, we will invade them anyway, since there is oil in Alaska :twisted: :twisted: )
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

It shows that all the arguments of the Bush administration are ludicrous...

If Irak invades another neighbour or wants to use its weapon on another, OK, I'd support the USA... Now, I think they are wrong.

Bush is close to ruin all the sympathy of its country after september 11th... the best demonstration of its stupidity.

Imagine, if the US soldiers are busy in Irak killing innocent people and at this time, North Korea lounches a nuclear bomb on Alaska... :x

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Olivier wrote: Imagine, if the US soldiers are busy in Irak killing innocent people and at this time, North Korea lounches a nuclear bomb on Alaska...
All this Alaskan oil up into flames ... what a waste :roll:
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Skylimit wrote:
Olivier wrote: Imagine, if the US soldiers are busy in Irak killing innocent people and at this time, North Korea lounches a nuclear bomb on Alaska...
All this Alaskan oil up into flames ... what a waste :roll:
What a waste also for the rest... They could afford a really "Medicare" policy, with all this money...
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:lol: :lol:

They've not lost their imagination and their humour... :lol:

I forward it to my mailing list! :lol:
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I saw that picture also, did you got it from http://www.allfunnypictures.com?
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nope, from another forum I recently registered to. Don't post much there though, just read ... and laugh :lol:
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Olivier wrote: But even now, that Irak has not been invaded, the iraki oil is sold in dollars...

Olivier, this is shocking ... why didn't I know that ????????
How powerful is the media these days ?


"The Federal Reserve's greatest nightmare is that OPEC will switch its international transactions from a dollar standard to a euro standard. Iraq actually made this switch in Nov. 2000 (when the euro was worth around 82 cents), and has actually made off like a bandit considering the dollar's steady depreciation against the euro. (Note: the dollar declined 17% against the euro in 2002.)
"The real reason the Bush administration wants a puppet government in Iraq -- or more importantly, the reason why the corporate-military-industrial network conglomerate wants a puppet government in Iraq -- is so that it will revert back to a dollar standard and stay that way." (While also hoping to veto any wider OPEC momentum towards the euro, especially from Iran -- the 2nd largest OPEC producer who is actively discussing a switch to euros for its oil exports)."

"Saddam sealed his fate when he decided to switch to the euro in late 2000 (and later converted his $10 billion reserve fund at the U.N. to euros) -- at that point, another manufactured Gulf War become inevitable under Bush II. Only the most extreme circumstances could possibly stop that now and I strongly doubt anything can -- short of Saddam getting replaced with a pliant regime.

This information about Iraq's oil currency is being censored by the U.S. media and the Bush administration as the truth could potentially curtail both investor and consumer confidence, reduce consumer borrowing/spending, create political pressure to form a new energy policy that slowly weans us off Middle-Eastern oil, and of course stop our march towards a war with Iraq. This quasi `state secret' can be found on a Radio Free Europe article discussing Saddam's switch for his oil sales from dollars to the euros effective November 6, 2000:

And here I found confirmation of my Banana Republic statement

"Otherwise, the effect of an OPEC switch to the euro would be that oil-consuming nations would have to flush dollars out of their (central bank) reserve funds and replace these with euros. The dollar would crash anywhere from 20-40% in value and the consequences would be those one could expect from any currency collapse and massive inflation (think Argentina currency crisis, for example). You'd have foreign funds stream out of the U.S. stock markets and dollar denominated assets, there'd surely be a run on the banks much like the 1930s, the current account deficit would become unserviceable, the budget deficit would go into default, and so on. Your basic 3rd world economic crisis scenario.

War for currency statement

In the aftermath of toppling Saddam it is clear the U.S. will keep a large and permanent military force in the Persian Gulf. Indeed, there is no `exit strategy' in Iraq, as the military will be needed to protect the newly installed regime, and to send a message to other OPEC producers that they might receive `regime change' if they convert their oil exports to the euro currency.

After toppling Saddam, this administration may decide that Iran's disloyalty to the dollar qualifies them as the next target in the `war on terror.' Iran's interest in switching to the euro as their currency for oil exports is well documented. Perhaps this MSNBC article alludes to the objectives of neo-conservatives.

Incidentally, the final `Axis of Evil' country, North Korea, recently decided to officially drop the dollar and begin using euros for trade, effective Dec. 7, 2002. [8]

Interestingly, according to an article by Michael Ruppert, Venezuelan's ambassador Francisco Mieres-Lopez apparently floated the idea of switching to the euro as their oil currency standard approximately one year before the failed coup attempt.

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In other words, around 2005/2006, from a purely economic and monetary perspective, it will become logical for several OPEC producers to transition to the euro for oil pricing. Of course that will devalue the dollar, and hurt the US economy unless it begins making structural and monetary changes right away -- or use its massive military power to force events upon OPEC . . .

The end-goal of the neo-conservatives is incredibly bold yet simple in purpose, to use the `war on terror' as the premise to finally dissolve OPEC's decision-making process, thus ultimately preventing the cartel's inevitable switch to pricing oil in euros.

Where is Britain ?

"Of major importance to the ultimate success of the euro, in terms of the oil pricing, will be if Europe's two major oil producers -- the United Kingdom and Norway join the single currency. Naturally, the future integration of these two countries into the Euro-zone and Europe will be important considering they are the region's two major oil producers in the North Sea, which is home to the international crude oil benchmark, Brent. This might create a momentum to shift the oil pricing system to euros. . . .

"As go the Swedes, so probably will go the Danes & Norwegians. It's the British who are the real obstacle to building momentum for the euro as international transaction & reserve currency. So long as the United Kingdom remains apart from the euro, reducing exchange rate costs between the euro and the British pound remains their obvious priority. British adoption (a near-given in the long run) would mount significant pressure toward repegging the Brent crude benchmark -- which is traded on the International Petroleum Exchange in London -- and the Norwegians would certainly have no objection whatsoever that I can think of, whether or not they join the European Union.

Synopsis:
It would appear that any attempt by OPEC member states in the Middle East or Latin America to transition to the euro as their oil transaction currency standard shall be met with either overt U.S. military actions or covert U.S. intelligence agency interventions. Under the guise of the perpetual `war on terror' the Bush administration is manipulating the American people about the unspoken but very real macroeconomic reasons for this upcoming war with Iraq. This war in Iraq will not be based on any threat from Saddam's old WMD program, or from terrorism. This war will be over the global currency of oil. A war intended to prevent oil from being priced in euros.

Quote : "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. -- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945

Taliban was threatened BEFORE 9/11

He reports that the U.S. threatened a `military option' in the summer of 2001 if the Taliban did not acquiesce to our demands. Fortuitous for the Bush administration and Cheney's energy plan, Bin Laden delivered to us 9/11. The pre-positioned U.S. military, along with the CIA providing cash to the Northern Alliance leaders, led the invasion of Afghanistan and the Taliban were routed. The pro-western Karzai government was ushered in. The pipeline project was now back on track in early 2002, well, sort of . . .
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I didn't know Irak decided to sell its oil in euros... It can be another reason for the US to attack...

Iran is the next target. There are already some propaganda about the nuclear plants in Iran, on CNN...

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