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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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interesting comment for this hit: https://nl.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=203718028:
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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Ive got a hit into series
well my own bad ive mixed up the numbers
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=203881127

it aint a problem for me to show a photo of the notes with the right digits
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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Hit in series by bucik:

2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)
2020-05-12 12:00:18 5 EURNxxxx2061xxx Nxxxxx Volarje ( Flag for Slovenija Slovenija, 5220)

I got an email notification of a hit, but the hit note was obviously deleted afterwards. This user enters small amounts of consecutive notes every day in places where it's almost impossible to get even used ones. Also all his "hitpartners" involved in domestic hits are one and the same person.
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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Please have a look about this one

https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204084103
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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I'm not sure, bur those two guys ( A0000001A : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=182219 and LEN55 : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=137545 ) are known to be "euro-collectors ), aren't they ?
Thy have made a hit together ( https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204203857 ) , this hit could be suspiscious, perhaps an investigation should be done about it .
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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philgelico wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:10 pm
I'm not sure, bur those two guys ( A0000001A : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=182219 and LEN55 : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=137545 ) are known to be "euro-collectors ), aren't they ?
Thy have made a hit together ( https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204203857 ) , this hit could be suspiscious, perhaps an investigation should be done about it .
This one is also a bit suspicious https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=156217824
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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TheUndertaker wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 9:21 pm
philgelico wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:10 pm
I'm not sure, bur those two guys ( A0000001A : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=182219 and LEN55 : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=137545 ) are known to be "euro-collectors ), aren't they ?
Thy have made a hit together ( https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204203857 ) , this hit could be suspiscious, perhaps an investigation should be done about it .
This one is also a bit suspicious https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=156217824
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Si tu veux voler avec les aigles, éloigne-toi des paons. (proverbe d'origine inconnue)
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ספר המעשיות: כולל אגדות וסיפורים מתוך קובץ כ"י ישן, proverbe sanskrit
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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philgelico wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 7:20 pm
TheUndertaker wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 9:21 pm
philgelico wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 7:10 pm
I'm not sure, bur those two guys ( A0000001A : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=182219 and LEN55 : https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=137545 ) are known to be "euro-collectors ), aren't they ?
Thy have made a hit together ( https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204203857 ) , this hit could be suspiscious, perhaps an investigation should be done about it .
This one is also a bit suspicious https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=156217824
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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Look at this first series :note-5: and its comment: this one must be real, but the user introduced another 8 consecutive notes (without comment) at the same time, and I really doubt that anyone found 9 consecutive old :note-5: and decided to write an unrelated comment in only one of them.
https://es.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204286974
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I have not entered in the forum for almost 7 years, but fighting against cheaters and fakers is a good reason to come back for a while.

Almost four years ago, I started to work in a company in the town of Reus (Spain) and from the beginning I realised that the ratio of hits in the city was very low (one hit around every 150 bills) because the main user that lives in the city (2llsll, https://es.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=174990) has a high number of hits (currently 540) and a lot of them (currently 458) were in common with another user registered in a different city 30 Km. far away (Masalla10, https://es.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=176376); another remarkable characteristic is that their hits do not happen always between the same two locations, they have hits mainly between different towns and villages of the province of Tarragona but also with other towns in the autonomous community of Catalonia, including several with the city of Barcelona, the place where I live... but after almost four years transferring bills between Reus and Barcelona, I have no hits between both cities. Of course, they have hits between them with 5€, 10€, 20€ and even 100€ bills.

For sure, the only thing that somebody can instantly think is that these two users known each other... or even worse, there is only one person who is managing both accounts. Before starting to write this message, I have just realised that other users have been reporting them on this thread during the last years but it seems that their hits have not even been moderated, despite the complaints. Anyway, the reason of this message is not only to report again this unusual situation...

After having introduced more than 1.000 bills in the city of Reus, I was a little tired of seeing how "easy" was for this user to make hits in the city (I have just obtained my first hit in the city today, after having introduced 1.198 bills in the city during the last four years... fortunately, not with any of both suspicious users), so since I am working from home since the middle of March to avoid the transmission of Covid-19 and I have more free time than usually, from one month and half ago, I started to check 2-3 times per day the bills that have been introduced in Spain to identify the bills introduced by both users.

The user Masalla10 has not introduced many bills in this period (I have just seen him introducing some bills on last Saturday, curiously 15 minutes before the other user started to intrduce bills that day), but 2llsll has introduced every day about 2-4 series of between 15-40 consecutive bills of 5€, 10€ or 20€ mainly, but also, of 50€. It is curious that everytime that he introduced a serie of bills he adds a little description (mainly "Purchases", "Purchases in the neighbourhood" or "Market", in catalan; also "bank new" in the case of some 50€ bills, but not all, sometimes he has obtained them in "purchases") but the only day that he has introduced individual bills (27th of April), he did not add any description to them. In my humble opinion, everytime that this user obtains a bill, he introduces it in the website as a serie of 15-40 bills, since it is almost impossible to obtain everyday series of several bills after doing a purchase.

Anyway, last Sunday this user has introduced ten different 20€ bills separately and without any description from a town called Vilaplana and 30 minutes after, he has introduced small consecutive series (between 4 and 24 bills) of the same 20€ bills that he introduced 30 minutes before, but in this case, including in the description of all these bills the word "Purchases".

Finally, today he has introduced three 5€ bills in series of different size (5, 9 and 21 consecutive bills) and in the serie of 5 consecutive bills, one of the bills has been a hit:

2020-05-26 13:58:59 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:59 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:59 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:58 Yxxxx7827xxx (*) Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:58 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)


https://es.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204312342

If it would be real, this hit would mean that those 5 consecutive bills have been travelling together for almost 3 years from a town 17Km far from Paris (France) to Reus (Spain), doing 858Km without being separated but curiusly, only one of them was introduced by the first user that touched them. In my humble opinion, this hit definitely proofs that this user is introducing fake series of consecutive bills almost everytime that he obtains an original bill... so please, kindly study this case in depth and act accordingly: it has been enough time standing his fake series and unreal hits.
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Oliverve wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 12:45 am
I have not entered in the forum for almost 7 years, but fighting against cheaters and fakers is a good reason to come back for a while.

Almost four years ago, I started to work in a company in the town of Reus (Spain) and from the beginning I realised that the ratio of hits in the city was very low (one hit around every 150 bills) because the main user that lives in the city (2llsll, https://es.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=174990) has a high number of hits (currently 540) and a lot of them (currently 458) where in common with another user registered in a different city 30 Km. far away (Masalla10, https://es.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=176376); another remarkable characteristic is that their hits do not happen always between the same two locations, they have hits mainly between different towns and villages of the province of Tarragona but also with other towns in the autonomous community of Catalonia, including several with the city of Barcelona, the place where I live... but after almost four years transferring bills between Reus and Barcelona, I have no hits between both cities. Of course, they have hits between them with 5€, 10€, 20€ and even 100€ bills.

For sure, the only thing that somebody can instantly think is that these two users known each other... or even worse, there is only one person who is managing both accounts. Before starting to write this message, I have just realised that other users have been reporting them on this thread during the last years but it seems that their hits have not even been moderated, despite the complaints. Anyway, the reason of this message is not only to report this situation...

After having introduced more than 1.000 bills in the city of Reus, I was a little tired of seeing how "easy" was for this user to make hits in the city (I have just obtained my first hit in the city today, after having introduced 1.198 bills in the city during the last four years... fortunately, not with any of both suspicious users), so since I am working from home since the middle of March to avoid the transmission of Covid-19 and I have more free time than usually, from one month and half ago, I started to check once per day the bills that have been introduced in Spain to identify the bills introduced by both users.

The user Masalla10 has not introduced many bills in this period (I have just seen him introducing some bills on last Saturday, curiously 15 minutes before the other user started to intrduce bills that day), but 2llsll has introduced every day about 2-4 series of between 15-40 consecutive bills of 5€, 10€ or 20€ mainly, but also, of 50€. It is curious that everytime that he introduced a serie of bills he adds a little description (mainly "Purchases", "Purchases in the neighbourhood" or "Market", in catalan; also "bank new" in the case of some 50€ bills, but not all, sometimes he has obtained them in "purchases") but the only day that he has introduced individual bills (27th of April), he did not add any description to them. In my humble opinion, everytime that this user obtains a bill, he introduces it in the website as a serie of 15-40 bills, since it is almost impossible to obtain everyday series of several bills after doing a purchase.

Anyway, last Sunday this user has introduced ten different 20€ bills separately and without any description from a town called Vilaplana and 30 minutes after, he has introduced small consecutive series (between 4 and 24 bills) of the same 20€ bills that he introduced 30 minutes before, but in this case, including in the description of all these bills the word "Purchases".

Finally, today he has introduced three 5€ bills in series of different size (5, 9 and 21 consecutive bills) and in the serie of 5 consecutive bills, one of the bills has been a hit:

2020-05-26 13:58:59 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:59 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:59 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:58 Yxxxx7827xxx (*) Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)
2020-05-26 13:58:58 Yxxxx7827xxx Yxxxxx Reus (Spain, 43202)


https://es.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204312342

If it would real, this hit would mean that those 5 consecutive bills have been travelling together for almost 3 years from a town 17Km far from Paris (France) to Reus (Spain), doing 858Km without being separated but curiusly, only one of them was introduced by the first user that touched them. In my humble opinion, this hit definitely proofs that this user is introducing fake series of consecutive bills almost everytime that he obtains an original bill... so please, kindly study this case in depth and act accordingly: it has been enough time standing his fake series and unreal hits.
I agree with you, Oliverve. I usually have a look at the Spanish hits, and it's not possible for these two users to get so many in a natural way.
In the last year there were 332 hits involving Spain; 2llsll had 80, masalla10 had 78, and 68 were between them. It's also remarkable that both users have 21 triple hits (something extremely rare in Spain), and they share ALL of them. In the best case these should be considered friendly hits, but as you say I find it very likely that many of their notes are faked.
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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Vunono wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 2:25 pm
Look at this first series :note-5: and its comment: this one must be real, but the user introduced another 8 consecutive notes (without comment) at the same time, and I really doubt that anyone found 9 consecutive old :note-5: and decided to write an unrelated comment in only one of them.
https://es.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=204286974
In the last couple of days, user Karl78 has introduced at least two more series of nine consecutive notes, with only one of them having a comment (something like "used", and never mentioning that it came from a consecutive bundle). It really looks like he "expands" every real note he gets.
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Re: Suspicious notes and users

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Yea please do something against fake notes / user
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Please change my forumname from vermeer to Gerard Dou!
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vermeer wrote:
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Please change my forumname from vermeer to Gerard Dou!
AFAIK there is no way to change the forum name.
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