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googlejaps wrote:Thanks for letting me know I got a nice hit with wally2cv, I didn't see it in the site yet.
Graag gedaan, googlejaps ;)
googlejaps wrote:I agree with you that the short code is important, and an EBT'er should always strive to fill this information correctly. I always check the short code, but as has been said before, every human can make mistakes.
As said before, the most important problem is not really to introduce a wrong short code (yes, everybody can make errors - as said also before) BUT the fact that a Hit is occured only by matching the serial number and (perhaps ?) the note's value.
googlejaps wrote:I think a percentage of 1,92% is an acceptable error rate for this situation
Sorry but I agree completely the point of view of Dominic38 - and not only for statistical reasons.
googlejaps wrote:I think adding the short code to the criteria to determine a hit is a bad idea. Mainly because the short code is not a property of a note that makes it unique.
Aaaaaaaaaaah !? The short code, even if it's not a unique data (you can found the same short code into millions of notes ;) ), can, in the majority of cases, CONFIRM the serial number's good information.
googlejaps wrote:The properties of a note that uniquely identifies them are the serial number and the denomination. These are the only properties needed to determine that I had the same not as wally2cv.
As said just below by myself - thanks for the confirmation.
googlejaps wrote:I think back to the time when the website did use the short code. The system sometimes rejected a note and the user would get a message like: "This note is entered in the system before by another user, but you used the incorrect short code". So then you know it is a hit, and (after checking that you entered the correct shortcode) you know that the other user entered the wrong short code, and you can only make a hit when you guess the short code the other user entered.
But at this time, it was possible to contact the Support Team by mail and expose the problem : in several cases, (I think that) the Support Team made the corrections to get good data.
googlejaps wrote:Finally, your argument for improving database quality is valid, however I would point out to you that the quality of the data is very high in EBT compared to other sites. There are lots of measurements that make sure that the quality stays high. Which is one of the reasons that EBT is so succesful.
A positive initiative here : the Cleaning Girls ! :D
Another positive initiative that can be taken into EBT : a team who compares the short code and the serial number AND makes corrections if needed. If it's possible to do automatically this matching into other tracking websites, why not here ? It can improves more the database quality.
mico wrote:maybe maarsy, Europa28, joergb30, Angelino and BGO do they insert banknotes in EuroTracer :?:
Well-known EBTers, from several :flag-eu: countries, introduce also their notes into this site.
ErGo wrote:Oh, did you mean this website with the better "automatic matching between serialnumber and shortcode " introduction? :wink:
Fortunatly for us, there are still enough errors in their data
1) I have NEVER said that eurotracer's website has the better automatic matching between serialnumber and shortcode ! Yes, it's not perfect BUT if it exists there...so, WHY NOT HERE !? :D
2) Who make errors in their data, ErGo ? Have you check (just once) the guys with the biggest number of errors into EuroTracer ? No ? Into this, there are two guys with a very huge "bad record" number of errors : there are...two EBTers who ALSO make the same errors here, into EBT ! :( So...Where's the quality improvement here, into EBT ?
3) Another thing : why not presenting the serial number like into several threads of EBT-Forum : X123******* and not X***4567**** ? And...why not presenting the whole short code ? It would be great to do this, into EBT, and I am sure that this data's presentation can be benefic for (existing) EBTers and for (future new) EBTers ;)
4) Do you know that several guys send directly and regularly to the webmaster of this site a lot of informations to improve database quality and automatic matching quality ? One of these persons is... a :flag-fr: guy who have written - and who will produce a new opus soon ;) - the best books about €€€-notes.

So...yes, each tracking website has its qualities and its defaults BUT yes, each tracking website can improve ergonomy's quality, database quality, information searching quality... ;)
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So : let's back to ZE topic ! :mrgreen:

With a question : ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

http://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=135676594

Especially for the two last Users : Chine du guanzhou & Linhualong...
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Well, Endlessness has made some weird entries.
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LArdennais, I'm clearly not the only one who insert serial numbers later, because of a lack of (cheap) internet available. Refusing an entry because a previous entry has a different short code is very frustrating, and not always verifiable. I would like to see the short code corrected, but I would hate it even more if it would xost me a hit...
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Still have doubts about Naroon, but can not prove anything.

Interessante hits: 20
Aantal ingegeven biljetten: 191
Hitratio: 1 : 9,55
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vermeer wrote:Still have doubts about Naroon, but can not prove anything.

Interessante hits: 20
Aantal ingegeven biljetten: 191
Hitratio: 1 : 9,55
For clarity's sake: http://eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=189026" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Is it an older "erased" EBTer who comes back with another nickname ??? 8O
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LArdennais wrote:Is it an older "erased" EBTer who comes back with another nickname ??? 8O
Or is it just again a faker, who is copying the data from another tracking site, which is covering only the last 3 digits of the serialnumber? :roll: :wink:
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As I can see the other trackers'names in the Naroon's Hitlist...No.
But check into other websites than EBT and ET - Yes, there are other...
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'Lucky me' :roll:
http://eurotracer.net/statistics/notes. ... w=X&col=10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://nl.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=102583468" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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My hit with Naroon from last friday is also from a note extracted from ET.

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ErGo wrote:
LArdennais wrote:Is it an older "erased" EBTer who comes back with another nickname ??? 8O
Or is it just again a faker, who is copying the data from another tracking site, which is covering only the last 3 digits of the serialnumber? :roll: :wink:
This was not really a question... It was more a confirmation by me, that he is doing so! :wink: :mrgreen:
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ErGo :arrow: if EBTers goes overthere as "anonymous" users, how can it be possible to match easily the notes between "overthere" and "here" ? So...if other notes introduced par Naroon are really found into "ET" OR another tracking websites that you can show the whole serial number (yes, ALL characters !), what's the better solution, for you - instead of deleting Naroon's fake entries ? To close these other tracking websites that shows "quasi" entire serial numbers (as Ph.......................... said once !?) ? I just ask the question................
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LArdennais wrote:if EBTers goes overthere as "anonymous" users, how can it be possible to match easily the notes between "overthere" and "here" ?
Don't ask me, how someone can get access to the full note data from ET - but it is a fact, that the informations are equal as entered in Eurotracer (and i mean identical - so even the last 3 digits are the same!). Since the notes entered at ET are from different user, its clear, that it is not only 1 user who wanted to transfer his data to EBT...
LArdennais wrote:... what's the better solution, for you - [...] To close these other tracking websites that shows "quasi" entire serial numbers (as Ph.......................... said once !?) ? I just ask the question................
It's not up to me, to close any websites. All i want is to sensitize users, to take care about their note data.
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Please hold in check this user: http://it.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=182128" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He was a faker in the past and his behavior is quite strange
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