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Please remove these hits. I know bacsom very well and both of us agree these hits are not interesting at all.

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Jules wrote:Bietel and Anvar. Again.

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2168219
This isn't a fake hit. Bietel has used this bill in a store in the town we both live in. I got this bill in another store as where the bill was spend. So calling use fakers isn't fair.
And if you find this already suspious then you should report half of the Finnish hits because a lot are from the same town.

Ok one time we had a few hits in the same day but this was because we both wrote the notes of a person who works at our company, without knowing of eachother that the other did the same.

I can also ensure you that bietel as well as I are trying not to mix our notes to get hits with eachother. But when it happens it's not that I nor Bietel have swapped notes.
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Post by jabosa2 »

I think it is a good thing that you told us about the situation between you en Bietel.
The hits between you and Bietel are not interesting but I agree that it is not fair to call you fakers.
I hope that you both have a hit very soon that will be truly interesting.

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Ralf wrote:I think there are some people from Portugal who know each other.
Falhas - Delpi
Delpi - Falhas
Delpi - Falhas

and
Gemini1st - FANTAS
Gemini1st - FANTAS
Again a hit with Delpi - Falhas
I think that that two people know each other!
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Jules wrote:Bietel and Anvar. Again.

Ok one time we had a few hits in the same day but this was because we both wrote the notes of a person who works at our company, without knowing of eachother that the other did the same.

I can also ensure you that bietel as well as I are trying not to mix our notes to get hits with eachother. But when it happens it's not that I nor Bietel have swapped notes.

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2168219
This isn't a fake hit. Bietel has used this bill in a store in the town we both live in. I got this bill in another store as where the bill was spend. So calling use fakers isn't fair.
Ok, fair enough, i accept the explanation ! :lol:
I hope you understand that those hits one the same day made me think this hit wasn't interesting neither as i didn't have the explanation you just gave ... :oops:
This last note travelled freely, which wasn't the case for the others hits you had. Therefore, unlike Jabosa, i believe this implicates this latest hit between you and Bietel must be kept on the interesting hit list !!! It doesn't matter if the hit is between people who know each other, as long as the note didn't get "a helping hand" to become a hit...
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And if you find this already suspious then you should report half of the Finnish hits because a lot are from the same town.
i think i just explained my opnion about this above. As long as the notes travelled freely, it's a real hit.
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Post by Aaron »

Jules wrote:i think i just explained my opnion about this above. As long as the notes travelled freely, it's a real hit.
But not all real hits are interesting... :roll:
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off course not for everyone, but a hit between me and someone else for a distence of 5 km for example is interesting enough for me because i don't know that person and i don't know how he-she has gott the bill
click me please, im saving points for a IPod
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Serial jani73

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Re: Serial jani73

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Westhighland wrote: 2004-04-16 00:02:44 Pxxxx4829xxx Pxxxxx Imatra ( Finnland, 55120)
2004-04-16 00:02:44 Pxxxx4829xxx Pxxxxx Imatra ( Finnland, 55120)
2004-04-16 00:02:44 Pxxxx4829xxx Pxxxxx Imatra ( Finnland, 55120)
2004-04-16 00:02:44 Pxxxx4829xxx Pxxxxx Imatra ( Finnland, 55120)
:?: :!:

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 8;id=15206;-
Jani73 have access to new notes and he told that he have a lot of new 5e P/P notes.

I suppose that there was something like 'ROUND START' in comment field?

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Ralf wrote:
Ralf wrote:I think there are some people from Portugal who know each other.
Falhas - Delpi
Delpi - Falhas
Delpi - Falhas

and
Gemini1st - FANTAS
Gemini1st - FANTAS
Again a hit with Delpi - Falhas
I think that that two people know each other!
Now they have a triple hit :x
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What if you "#/"&#¤/(#W¤&¤/U¤#(&/)("#¤Y/(#&/#¤/¤%/#%&/()#)#&/)=%&/&"#¤%&(Y#¤()%()/#)#)%)#%%&(¤%&/"¤heads just went to a store and bought yourself some brains, for #¤/#¤&"¤%&("&"%&(/!"#%&#¤&(/!"%&"#&)!¤%(¤&(/"¤/¤&("#¤%&#¤/"/%&'s sake?
Even a cheap store should be a good option, because even bad brain is better than no brain.

You freaking idiots seem to know NO nicer things to do than trying to kick good users away from the service. What on earth do you think you will achieve by just randomly calling everyone witches and burning them? Have you people ever heard that a person is not guilty as long as he hasn't been proven to be guilty?
When there's a possiblity that a person is a faker, but you are not sure, you must be _very_ careful in what you say.
There are of course many fakers and they should be kicked away. But if you're not 100% sure that a person is a faker, you must NOT come here shouting the person is a faker. If you've got even the smallest doubt, always make it clear. Even if you feel like it's already /too/ clear, it still probably isn't enough.
There are many reasons why a fake-looking hit might be actually legitimate.
When ever you think someone is a faker, always consider every possible situation in which the hit could happen legitimately. If you find even one situation in which the fake-looking hit could be legitimate, you must NOT shout it as if you were sure that the EBTer is a #¤&#¤/"/#¤&"¤(¤%/#%&("#&"#&#¤%&/#¤/)¤/#¤&("¤%(#)="¤%/ng bastard.

Yes, I'm a bit angry right now.
But really. You people don't think enough before you write stuff here. And that makes you idiots.

Yes, what you're now thinking is true. I am writing very rudely myself right now. But I _have_ thought about these words for weeks already. I just couldn't stand silent any more.

Here's what you need to do when reporting a possibly fake hit:
1) Make sure the hit really is fake.
2) Take your time (it's ok to spend quarter of an hour for this) to think how you could write the text as nicely as possible, just in case you're wrong.
3) Check again that the hit is fake.
4) Think of any possible reason why the hit stats might look fakeish without being a fake.
5) Try to remember when you last used some drugs (yes, ethanol and caffeine are drugs, too).
6) If you have used some drugs lately, press the little X in the upper right hand side corner of your browsers's window.
7) Write the comment in which you blame the person to be a faker.
8) Remember that since most of the notes entered are not fakes, there's only about 2% chance that the person really is a faker.
9) Think again.
10) Move your mouse pointer on the Submit-button.
11) Think
12) Really. _Think_.
13) You don't want to be rude.
14) Click the Submit button.
15) When you find out some reasons according to which you might have been wrong, edit the post adding a line like this under the post: "EDIT: Now that I think of it, this note might actually be legitimate, because..."

If you fail any of these checks but still blame the person a faker, go hang yourself. From your balls. Please, doing that would really save the planet.

And for you who think I'm an idiot blaming you a faker, I can only say this: No. This post was not about you. It was about the person next to you. Whoever you are.

Just my two cubical cents of concentrated adrenaline.

EDIT: I just want to say that although I really am somewhat angry towards the attitude of certain group of EBTers, I'm not angry towards the people theirselves. And I really hope no one will stop EBTing even partially because of this text. I just hope the strong language used will make people think. And no, I won't even try specifying, who are in that "certain group", because I don't find it important, who is doing what. What I find important in this case is what happens, not who causes it.
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Those messages against Jani73 really pisses me off also!!!
(insult edited by Olivier) !!!
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Well, let's everybody cool down. Let's everybody use nice language. Now you Dakkus and Fundamental are kicking Westhighland away.

I think it would be better to let avij answer to every accusation that is made in here.

As Tieger3033, or who ever (s)he was, showed, fakers has no future.
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Yes, we'll get the point even if you don't use such colourful language. Besides, the message of Dakkus and Fundamental didn't really bring any new useful information into the discussion. They could have said something like: As for jani73's 5/P/P notes, there are indeed such pooling notes in circulation in Finland. They're new, so it's very probable that someone who works with lots of notes gets access to those. Here are some statistics about 5€ P/P notes in Finland -- note that these figures do NOT include jani73's notes:
mysql> select year(hit_date), month(hit_date), count(*) from bills where country='Finland' and denomination='5' and shortcode like 'P%' and serial like 'P%' and user_id<>15206 group by 1,2;

Code: Select all

+----------------+-----------------+----------+
| year(hit_date) | month(hit_date) | count(*) |
+----------------+-----------------+----------+
|           2002 |               3 |        2 |
|           2002 |               6 |        2 |
|           2002 |               7 |        1 |
|           2002 |               8 |        3 |
|           2002 |               9 |        2 |
|           2002 |              11 |        2 |
|           2002 |              12 |        1 |
|           2003 |               1 |        1 |
|           2003 |               2 |        1 |
|           2003 |               3 |        4 |
|           2003 |               4 |        2 |
|           2003 |               5 |        1 |
|           2003 |               7 |        2 |
|           2003 |               8 |        9 |
|           2003 |               9 |        9 |
|           2003 |              10 |        7 |
|           2003 |              11 |        5 |
|           2003 |              12 |       12 |
|           2004 |               1 |       11 |
|           2004 |               2 |       24 |
|           2004 |               3 |       87 |
|           2004 |               4 |      228 |
+----------------+-----------------+----------+
Jani73 and sami are friends and spend time together. Both of them being EBTers, sometimes there are some accidental hits between them. These hits have been moderated and jani73 has agreed to this.

I think that would have been a better response.
aplfi wrote:fakers has no future.
Agreed. It may take a while to catch all the fakers, but as all the evidence can always be found from the database, fakers will be taken care of, one way or another..
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