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Sorry for the typos... :(
Thanks to you, Seltaeb and Bumboozel !
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g.s.51 wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:30 pm Sorry for the typos... :(
Thanks to you, Seltaeb and Bumboozel !
Thank you for the great work, Guy! 👍
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hello all.
Sorry if this has been answered before but I couldnt find sth.
Can someone help me understand what do these mean?

M2000000 (= A6) RRRRR Premier numéro de la charge 1.
V000000 (= A6) RRRR Premier numéro de la charge 1.
Y000000 ( = G1) RRRR Premier numéro de la charge 1.

What does this "Premier numero de la charge 1" mean? Which is the first number? What is a charge? What is the meaning of A6, G1 etc?

Thank you in advance
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Everything has a beginning (a philosophical principle from antiquity...)
It turns out that the printers of the first series of euro banknotes had their own printing systems. The numbering of the printed banknotes was (and still is) very different between printers. For example, charge 1 of the Portuguese (M) banknotes and subsequent charges contain 1,000 sheets, while charge 1 (and subsequent charges) of the V banknotes contain 100,000 sheets, not to mention the Italian or French banknotes, whose charges contain 1 million sheets. This puts into perspective the rarity of some early issues of certain prints, now often impossible for a collector to find.
I wanted to show the beginning of the printing in offset/and or typographic of the first number of the first charge which is the jewel of a collection, which the discoverers of the site EBT point out and which any specialized collector seeks...
As I presented in my catalogue, the offset printing of the banknotes (e.g. A1 to J6) may not correspond to the letterpress printing of the numbers on the reverse side, e.g. the Portuguese 5€ banknotes printed from A1 to J6 in offset are numbered from J6 (M100000) to A1 (M100059) in letterpress (first charge).
It would be tedious to present all the charges of all the printers, see the remarkable site of guilcenc(corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale)
http://liste.eurobillets.free.fr/
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Hi Guy! thank you for your reply!
I accidentally opened a new topic waiting for approval and it turned out that both my topic and my comment here were approved so I copied your answer to my topic too in order to better help others too!

Just one last question
By "charge 1" you mean the first numbering of printer? e.g. U001, N001 etc?

Also, any thoughts of a new catalog? :)

Thank you once again!

BR
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A very interesting discover ! :note-20: :flag-it:
New issue, new sign, new alphabet (SP) and probably new paper...
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djapal wrote: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:23 am
Just one last question
By "charge 1" you mean the first numbering of printer? e.g. U001, N001 etc?
Hello djapal,
No, it depends on the structure of the serial number, regarding to each printer and to each value...

For examples - only with ES2-notes :

a) :note-5: Z/Z :flag-be: :arrow: structure of the serial number = ZXppccnnnnnc

X = second letter (A - B - D in this case)
pp = position of the note on the sheet (from 00 to 59 in this case - always linked to the last two characters into the printer code)
cc = charge / groupe number
nnnnn = number of the sheet in the charge / groupe (from 00000 to 99999 in this case)
c = control number

:arrow: Each charge represents a group of 100.000 sheets (x 60 notes / sheet = 6.000.000 notes in each charge)



b) :note-10: E/E :flag-fr: :arrow: structure of the serial number = EXppppnnnnnc

X = second letter (A - B in this case)
pppp = position of the note on the sheet (in this case you have a groupe of notes from 0000 to 0053 for groupe / charge 1 for example - always linked to the last two characters into the printer code)
nnnnn = number of the sheet in the groupe (from 00000 to 99999 in this case)
c = control number

:arrow: Each charge represents a group of 100.000 sheets (x 54 notes / sheet = 5.400.000 notes in each charge)



c) :note-20: U/U :flag-fr: :arrow: structure of the serial number = UXpccnnnnnnc

X = second letter (A to F for first notes in this case)
Xp = position of the note on the sheet (from A0 to F3 in this case - always linked to the last two characters into the printer code)
cc = charge / groupe number
nnnnnn = number of the sheet in the charge / groupe (from 000000 to 999999 in this case)
c = control number

:arrow: Each charge represents a group of 1.000.000 sheets (x 54 notes / sheet = 54.000.000 notes in each charge)
http://liste.eurobillets.free.fr/ : don't miss it every day ! à zieuter tous les jours ! kijk elke dag ! :D

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Why there is a 6-digit vertical number in the ES2-notes?
Is there any connection to the numbering system?
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The vertical number is simply the last six digits of the serial number.
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trezay wrote: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:43 pm The vertical number is simply the last six digits of the serial number.
But why there are 6 digits in particular? Why not a full number?
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New plate!

:note-50: :flag-es: :flag-eu: V024H5 VC483 CL Serie Europa, Santander (28/02/2022)


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:note-5: :flag-es: :flag-eu: V016B1 VC329 CL Serie Europa, Santander (07/04/2022)

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Very interesting and late discovery of the 50€ U024 which remained unknown until 29/5. This bill marked the border between the Draghi and Lagarde signatures. It is finally the Lagarde signature that appeared, marking the 200th 50€ bill of the EUROPA series!
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New plate:
:note-50: :flag-es: :flag-eu: V027B1 VC844 CL Serie Europa, Santander (29/7/2022)

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