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Post by Tiger » Sat Jun 15, 2002 9:13 am

Yep....
I don't know why they did that.

I already inserted about 300 notes, and NONE of them ended in a 0 !!!
I've get many 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 but not a single note ending on a zero..

Why the heck is that ?
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Post by EuroBillTracker » Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:20 pm

byrnefm wrote: Also, I notice that while the Irish notes go up in increments of 9, no serial number ends in zero - if I get bills from an ATM and one ended in ...11, the next would be ...29, not 20! Is this common throughout the eurozone?
No bills end in 0 ever because the last digit is a checksum and we are using the decimal system...

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Post by Tiger » Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:27 pm

and what is this checksum actually ?
I know that when you count all the numbers, you have to get a certain number specific for each country...
But what's about that check number ?
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Post by jaker » Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:26 pm

This is the information I found from europa.union.euro newsgroup FAQ. The checksum is always 8 and it is calculated by adding up all serial numbers and the leading letter value, which is its position in the (latin) alphabet, according to the following list:

Code: Select all

I	 9	*
J	10	United Kingdom**
K	11	Sverige (Sweden)**
L	12	Suomi (Finland)
M	13	Portugal
N	14	Oesterreich (Austria)
O	15	*
P	16	Nederland
Q	17	*
R	18	Luxembourg**
S	19	Italia
T	20	Ireland
U	21	France
V	22	España
W	23	Danmark**+
X	24	Deutschland
Y	25	Ellàda (Greece) +
Z	26	Belgie/Belgique

*  Not used	
** For future use	
+  Denmark and Greece swapped	
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Post by Olivier » Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:45 pm

jaker wrote:This is the information I found from europa.union.euro newsgroup FAQ. The checksum is always 8 and it is calculated by adding up all serial numbers and the leading letter value, which is its position in the (latin) alphabet, according to the following list:

Code: Select all

I	 9	*
J	10	United Kingdom**
K	11	Sverige (Sweden)**
L	12	Suomi (Finland)
M	13	Portugal
N	14	Oesterreich (Austria)
O	15	*
P	16	Nederland
Q	17	*
R	18	Luxembourg**
S	19	Italia
T	20	Ireland
U	21	France
V	22	España
W	23	Danmark**+
X	24	Deutschland
Y	25	Ellàda (Greece) +
Z	26	Belgie/Belgique

*  Not used	
** For future use	
+  Denmark and Greece swapped	
Here is the link to
the faq in Google groups.
Very interesting!!
So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...

O.

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Post by jaker » Sat Jun 15, 2002 3:04 pm

Olivier wrote:So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...
  1. * They are in trouble :)
    * They use letters A...H (but one day there will be an end to it...) :|
    * They share letters between countries :?
    * They have something else in mind 8O
(I guess I could have just said I don't know :) ).

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Post by Olivier » Sat Jun 15, 2002 3:07 pm

jaker wrote:
Olivier wrote:So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...
  1. * They are in trouble :)
    * They use letters A...H (but one day there will be an end to it...) :|
    * They share letters between countries :?
    * They have something else in mind 8O
(I guess I could have just said I don't know :) ).
Yes, ther might be at last 10 newcomers in a few years... Or maybe we'll have greek letters, or symbols... :)

Who could give us more informations? :)

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Post by smh » Sat Jun 15, 2002 8:12 pm

Philippe, do you also use this to check the serial numbers or do you only check the numbers?

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Post by emmem » Sat Jun 15, 2002 9:17 pm

Olivier wrote:
jaker wrote:
Olivier wrote:So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...
  1. * They are in trouble :)
    * They use letters A...H (but one day there will be an end to it...) :|
    * They share letters between countries :?
    * They have something else in mind 8O
(I guess I could have just said I don't know :) ).
Yes, ther might be at last 10 newcomers in a few years... Or maybe we'll have greek letters, or symbols... :)

Who could give us more informations? :)

O.
Well, they use the ASCII format. So for the 11-the newcommer you'll have something like +0x392186xxx or @0x392186xxx. :roll:

Coluld also be possible that 2 letters are used (i.e. IP0x392186xxx) 8)

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Post by francky » Sat Jun 15, 2002 9:29 pm

emmem wrote: Well, they use the ASCII format. So for the 11-the newcommer you'll have something like +0x392186xxx or @0x392186xxx. :roll:
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emmem wrote: Coluld also be possible that 2 letters are used (i.e. IP0x392186xxx) 8)
What's make 26*2=676 possibilities
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Post by emmem » Sat Jun 15, 2002 10:33 pm

francky wrote:What's make 26*26=676 possibilities
This is not entirely correct. You have to add the remaining 26 letters too.

So it should be 26*26+26 = 702

But then the I (too close to 1), O and Q (too close to 0) are not used. And D will probably not be used too, I think. Which makes only 22 possibly letters, thus

22*22+22 = 506 possibilities.
emmem wrote:i.e. IP0x392186xxx
Damn, a bad example. Can't use the I in IP. :oops:

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Post by EuroBillTracker » Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:56 am

smh wrote:Philippe, do you also use this to check the serial numbers or do you only check the numbers?
I compute and check the last digit based on the first 11 characters of the serial number, like every other site.

... for now ...

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Post by jaker » Sun Jun 16, 2002 7:39 pm

When the next countries start using Euros we may well be in a situation where country codes don't matter any more. This may have been quoted in other forums too (it's about them faulty 500€ notes):

http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20020108IE5

Towards the end of the article:
"Henceforth the problem is unlikely to recur; in the initial stages all the denominations of notes were printed in each of the participating countries, but in future each country will print one specific note, a fact that will allow for more precise setting of machinery. Setec will not be printing any more of the EUR 500 notes."

€tracking will not me much fun then :cry:

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Post by emmem » Sun Jun 16, 2002 8:18 pm

jaker wrote: Towards the end of the article:
"Henceforth the problem is unlikely to recur; in the initial stages all the denominations of notes were printed in each of the participating countries, but in future each country will print one specific note, a fact that will allow for more precise setting of machinery. Setec will not be printing any more of the EUR 500 notes."

€tracking will not me much fun then :cry:
Well, maybe this will only affect the printer codes. If for instance France prints would print 500 Euro bills for emmission in Belgium, the serials can always start with Z.

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Post by smh » Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:47 pm

EuroBillTracker wrote:
smh wrote:Philippe, do you also use this to check the serial numbers or do you only check the numbers?
I compute and check the last digit based on the first 11 characters of the serial number, like every other site.

... for now ...
Okay, i didn't really go in to this, but wouldn't it be possible to enter a serial with a fake (unused) letter?

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