Counterfeit euros
- lmviterbo
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Counterfeit euros
I have just read a very interesting feature story on counterfeit euro banknotes (and realized it was published exactly one year ago). Its author is the journalist Fabio Tonacci and the story was published on a site named Le Inchieste, a spin-off of the Italian newspaper group Repubblica / L'Espresso, containing their feature stories ("inchieste", in Italian).
Here's the link to the article, as translated to English (by Sara Cecere):
Counterfeit euros, artists of Giugliano swindle Bankers and Policemen
And here's the original version, in Italian, with extra features, including photos and a 5-minute video:
LA ZECCA DELL'EURO FALSO
The article ends by comparing the amount of counterfeit euro banknotes withdrawn with the amount of genuine euro banknotes in circulation. In fact, every other article I've read on the subject (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) does the same kind of comparison, resulting in numbers on the same order of magnitude: one in around 200,000 banknotes is fake.
The problem is that we can't compare withdrawn with circulating notes. If we compare withdrawn fake with produced genuine, the number is in fact on the next level of magnitude: one in 10 thousand notes is fake! I know that not every produced note was put in circulation. But of course that stands also for fakes. Moreover, it's said by specialists (can't find the source off-hand atm) that there may be 4 to 5 times more fakes than those that are found.
Well, I have never spotted a fake banknote. I wonder who has already seen at least one, especially the heavy ebters and in particular the Italian ones (since Italy seems to be, according to the story mentioned above, where 60% of the counterfeit are made and 30 to 50% circulate).
Here's the link to the article, as translated to English (by Sara Cecere):
Counterfeit euros, artists of Giugliano swindle Bankers and Policemen
And here's the original version, in Italian, with extra features, including photos and a 5-minute video:
LA ZECCA DELL'EURO FALSO
The article ends by comparing the amount of counterfeit euro banknotes withdrawn with the amount of genuine euro banknotes in circulation. In fact, every other article I've read on the subject (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) does the same kind of comparison, resulting in numbers on the same order of magnitude: one in around 200,000 banknotes is fake.
The problem is that we can't compare withdrawn with circulating notes. If we compare withdrawn fake with produced genuine, the number is in fact on the next level of magnitude: one in 10 thousand notes is fake! I know that not every produced note was put in circulation. But of course that stands also for fakes. Moreover, it's said by specialists (can't find the source off-hand atm) that there may be 4 to 5 times more fakes than those that are found.
Well, I have never spotted a fake banknote. I wonder who has already seen at least one, especially the heavy ebters and in particular the Italian ones (since Italy seems to be, according to the story mentioned above, where 60% of the counterfeit are made and 30 to 50% circulate).
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Re: Counterfeit euros
In all those years, I've seen only 1 fake in circulation. It was clearly a bad photocopy from a real note as the silver hologram was colored using a silver pen. Luckly, it was not my note .
I've never found a fake note again.
I've never found a fake note again.
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Re: Counterfeit euros
I've got two fake Banknotes. First one was in August 2002, in the early months of Euro, in Italy, it was a very "naive" photocopy.
The second one was a - actually a correct conterfeit if you have it alone - but when I compared it with a real , numerous differences appeared.
The second one was a - actually a correct conterfeit if you have it alone - but when I compared it with a real , numerous differences appeared.
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Re: Counterfeit euros
a new couterfeit
an , Trichet...... but with J003 shortcode
and the EBT registration has been refused
an , Trichet...... but with J003 shortcode
and the EBT registration has been refused
Si tu veux voler avec les aigles, éloigne-toi des paons. (proverbe d'origine inconnue)
千里之行 始于足下, proverbe chinois
اتَّكَلْنا منه على خُصٍّ الاتحاد قوة, proverbe arabe
ספר המעשיות: כולל אגדות וסיפורים מתוך קובץ כ"י ישן, proverbe sanskrit
千里之行 始于足下, proverbe chinois
اتَّكَلْنا منه على خُصٍّ الاتحاد قوة, proverbe arabe
ספר המעשיות: כולל אגדות וסיפורים מתוך קובץ כ"י ישן, proverbe sanskrit
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Re: Counterfeit euros
some news about counterfeit , found in Reggio Emilia area, in northern Italy :
http://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/reggio- ... e-1.371883" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/reggio- ... e-1.371883" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Si tu veux voler avec les aigles, éloigne-toi des paons. (proverbe d'origine inconnue)
千里之行 始于足下, proverbe chinois
اتَّكَلْنا منه على خُصٍّ الاتحاد قوة, proverbe arabe
ספר המעשיות: כולל אגדות וסיפורים מתוך קובץ כ"י ישן, proverbe sanskrit
千里之行 始于足下, proverbe chinois
اتَّكَلْنا منه على خُصٍّ الاتحاد قوة, proverbe arabe
ספר המעשיות: כולל אגדות וסיפורים מתוך קובץ כ"י ישן, proverbe sanskrit
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Re: Counterfeit euros
The newspaper says "2.764 banconote da 20 euro aventi lo stesso numero seriale" (2.764 20-euro-notes with the same serial number)!
Fakers are not professionals!
Fakers are not professionals!
Le mie statistiche / My stats:
- EBTCheck (Agg./Upd. 31/03/2024, hit n.195)
- EBTST (Agg./Upd. 29/02/2024)
- nigmm (Agg./Upd. 10/06/2021, 62000 banconote/notes)
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- philgelico
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Re: Counterfeit euros
yes giulienc .... Two years ago i had one counterfeit ..... Shortcode (L) and longcode (V)
and two weeks ago, a beautiful counterfeit ..... with longcode beginning with W !!!
and two weeks ago, a beautiful counterfeit ..... with longcode beginning with W !!!
Si tu veux voler avec les aigles, éloigne-toi des paons. (proverbe d'origine inconnue)
千里之行 始于足下, proverbe chinois
اتَّكَلْنا منه على خُصٍّ الاتحاد قوة, proverbe arabe
ספר המעשיות: כולל אגדות וסיפורים מתוך קובץ כ"י ישן, proverbe sanskrit
千里之行 始于足下, proverbe chinois
اتَّكَلْنا منه على خُصٍّ الاتحاد قوة, proverbe arabe
ספר המעשיות: כולל אגדות וסיפורים מתוך קובץ כ"י ישן, proverbe sanskrit
Re: Counterfeit euros
philgelico wrote:a new couterfeit
an , Trichet...... but with J003 shortcode
and the EBT registration has been refused
Does its serial number start with T555?
We have had a lot of them since 2009 to date. The last one I have seen was about 1 month ago.
Re: Counterfeit euros
As or as ? The second one is normal...Ewri wrote:Does its serial number start with T555?philgelico wrote:a new couterfeit
an , Trichet...... but with J003 shortcode
and the EBT registration has been refused
We have had a lot of them since 2009 to date. The last one I have seen was about 1 month ago.
Re: Counterfeit euros
In Berlin today:
Counterfeit note: J003E2 T55501929854
Bad work.
Counterfeit note: J003E2 T55501929854
Bad work.
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Re: Counterfeit euros
I have found an app called R€D, for both Android and iPhone, that claims to help you detect fake euros:
Here's a puzzling part of its official description:
I know close to nothing about programming but I am afraid the author might be able to access individual serial numbers checked by the app's users (serial numbers that can be used for several purposes, including registering them on EBT…)
Android | Identify Fake Money x Free R€D |
iOS | R€D - Real Euro Detector |
The author's name is Italian (Giorgio Sanfilippo), so I guess this will just check the Italian Criminal Police's own tool Ricerca Banconote contraffatte, which I also found now.ONLINE CHECK
Last power of R€D it's to verify if the serial number of your banknote, it's in the police archive.
Just write the serial number of your banknote to know if it's in the Counterfeit Banknote Police Archive.
I know close to nothing about programming but I am afraid the author might be able to access individual serial numbers checked by the app's users (serial numbers that can be used for several purposes, including registering them on EBT…)
Re: Counterfeit euros
EBT has such a ONLINE-Check too
see here:
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=151409692
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=150128413
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=150128414
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=150128415
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=142887409
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=106760541
see here:
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=151409692
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=150128413
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=150128414
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=150128415
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=142887409
https://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=106760541
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Re: Counterfeit euros
Haha, I know but I bet the Italian police has a much longer list.
And my concern with granting someone access to my serial numbers remains. If the app's author does indeed have access to the checked numbers, then they become in a way "public serials" too.
And my concern with granting someone access to my serial numbers remains. If the app's author does indeed have access to the checked numbers, then they become in a way "public serials" too.
Re: Counterfeit euros
A few weeks ago I wanted to enter 2 20euro bills on the website, the website however gave me an "error" stating the codes were wrong.
So I figured they were fakes!
Or perhaps they were not?
So I figured they were fakes!
Or perhaps they were not?