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Notes and what to keep

Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:34 pm
by aol
Hi All, I understand the idea of collecting coins
because they are easy to see where they are from
and whether its a commemorative edition etc
but with notes its a lot different,

so what do you collect when it comes to notes?
assuming you collect notes

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:35 pm
by Montgomery Burns
I am not a collector or an expert, but I'll go ahead and mention a few things to get the discussion started. In pure value terms, that of a note is determined by a function of these two:

Rarity - Some printer code-serial number combinations are rarer than others. For instance, notes with printer code H (De La Rue printer in the UK) are quite rare. Some denominations are more common than others. Production quantities flux through out the years. Certain "special" serial numbers (repeaters, consecutives, palindromes) should be watched for. Also, printing/production defects, such as double serial numbers or ostensibly bad cuts.

Condition - Uncirculated bills, obviously, will retain the most value. Value will decrease accordingly taking into account condition and rarity.


Sort of related to both of those things are notes getting pooled at any one time throughout the continent - these are new, uncirculated notes that may or may not be future classics! :)

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 11:49 pm
by lmviterbo
aol wrote:Hi All, I understand the idea of collecting coins
because they are easy to see where they are from
In fact, it's possible to derive from any Euro banknote's printer code (also known as "shortcode"):
  1. where the note was printed (first letter);
  2. what plate was used (three following digits);
  3. which position on the plate was the note printed (two last characters, that is, one letter and one digit).
Notes from the first position (A1) are valued among collectors around 10% more than any of the others. Notes from some plates are much rarer than others, either because the amount printed was scarce (tipically 1 million is a small figure here) or they're rarely found in circulation for known or unknown reasons.

Montgomery Burns wrote:Also, printing/production defects, such as double serial numbers or ostensibly bad cuts.
Beware that, just like coins or stamps, fake defects are often made to rip off the non-initiated, the most infamous being the fake misprints (or miscuts) of :note-5: X0659 and :note-10: X1017.

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:01 pm
by Montgomery Burns
lmviterbo wrote:Beware that, just like coins or stamps, fake defects are often made to rip off the non-initiated, the most infamous being the fake misprints (or miscuts) of :note-5: X0659 and :note-10: X1017.
Indeed. I was thinking of examples like the tenner seen in this post.

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:01 pm
by ART
I collect the notes of the first series by state and by signature (with several limitations to avoid excessive spending), while the Europe series only for single denomination and signature (even in this case with some limitations).

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:42 pm
by GWR7007
First of all, I would not call myself a "real" collector. This is because I do not necessarily need notes in very good quality but take them out of circulation. Side remark: the same applies for coins.
I would rather describe my collection as one of notes I liked (for a certain reason) and therefore kept it.
I kept quite a lot of notes with the signature of the first ECB president, but as they were circulated ones, they were of course showing (strong) signs of use.
Apart from that, I kept some notes with - for me - rare combinations such as rather uncommon printers as mentioned above.
In genral, I do not keep many notes higher than :note-20: (for financial reasons). The few :note-50: (although not in good condition) were, again, rare printer/country combinations.
Additionally, I started with EBT ~five years ago. I was able to see the first generation of €-notes but saw it's withdrawl soon after that. Therefore, there wasn't a) the time to preserve notes in better quality and b) there weren't a lot of notes of the very early days of the Euro in good condition which are not owned by a merchant in bank notes. But then you pay way more than the value of the note and I am not willed to pay the prices they seem to ask. Otherwise I might have had some UNC notes of the combinations I kept.

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:54 pm
by aol
interesting posts, thanks all.

Just wondering if the Y codes on the Europa notes are rare?

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:49 pm
by romain17
aol wrote:interesting posts, thanks all.

Just wondering if the Y codes on the Europa notes are rare?
Since end of 2016 :note-5: Y/Y are more and more common in :flag-fr: with lots of Y002 and now Y001 are laso visible more and more, because :flag-gr: is on of the 3 producers of :note-5: in 2017 !
Also :note-5: Y/Y are very common in :flag-it:

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:40 am
by lmviterbo
aol wrote:Just wondering if the Y codes on the Europa notes are rare?
romain17's answer is correct.

If you want to check any other combination, you may use some of the resources available. Here follows some detail on :note-5: Y/Y.


From EuroBillTraccker | Statistics | Diffusion:
Europa_5_Y_diffusion.png
Europa_5_Y_diffusion.png (23.91 KiB) Viewed 1897 times
In Italy
In Italy
Europa_5_Y_Italy_diffusion.png (131.21 KiB) Viewed 1897 times
In Italy this month
In Italy this month
Europa_5_Y_Italy_2017-07_diffusion.png (30.87 KiB) Viewed 1897 times

From the most detailed EBT statistics available (do not overuse this resource, please!):

Code: Select all

Updated: Mon Jun 26 04:42:39 EEST 2017
Please note: Rows with less than 10 notes are excluded, as they're likely errors.
Data source: www.eurobilltracker.com

+--------------+--------------------+--------+--------------------------+---------+-----------------+
| denomination | shortcode_detailed | serial | country                  | count   | firstappearance |
+--------------+--------------------+--------+--------------------------+---------+-----------------+
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Austria                  |    7457 | 2015-06         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Belgium                  |    1516 | 2015-06         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Cyprus                   |      24 | 2015-11         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Czech Republic           |      18 | 2016-09         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Estonia                  |     241 | 2015-07         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Finland                  |     766 | 2015-08         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | France                   |    1203 | 2015-05         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Germany                  |    3114 | 2015-06         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Greece                   |    6514 | 2015-04         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Ireland                  |    1253 | 2015-06         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Italy                    |   53360 | 2015-06         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Latvia                   |      28 | 2016-09         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Lithuania                |     268 | 2015-07         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Malta                    |      74 | 2015-08         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Monaco                   |      26 | 2016-01         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Netherlands              |    1204 | 2015-06         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Portugal                 |     313 | 2015-10         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Slovakia                 |      83 | 2015-05         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Slovenia                 |     814 | 2015-07         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Spain                    |     411 | 2015-08         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | Switzerland              |      24 | 2016-06         |
| 5            | Y001               | Y      | United Kingdom           |      67 | 2015-11         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Austria                  |     735 | 2015-08         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Belgium                  |    1082 | 2015-08         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Cyprus                   |      14 | 2016-03         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Estonia                  |      57 | 2015-11         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Finland                  |     225 | 2015-07         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | France                   |   10940 | 2015-09         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Germany                  |    1555 | 2015-08         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Greece                   |   13660 | 2015-06         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Ireland                  |      25 | 2015-12         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Italy                    |    4935 | 2015-07         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Lithuania                |      45 | 2015-11         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Malta                    |      12 | 2016-07         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Netherlands              |     403 | 2015-09         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Portugal                 |      70 | 2015-11         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Serbia                   |      11 | 2016-05         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Slovakia                 |      28 | 2015-10         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Slovenia                 |     192 | 2015-12         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Spain                    |      96 | 2015-11         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | Switzerland              |      19 | 2016-02         |
| 5            | Y002               | Y      | United Kingdom           |      12 | 2015-12         |

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:40 am
by Montgomery Burns
An interesting video I found concerning serial numbers, this thread came to mind (from the point in the video provided specifically, those are pointers which can be applied to bills of most currencies. Before that point, it's mostly specific to that currency):

https://youtu.be/ZB8U9yHgRrk?t=7m35s

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:44 am
by savesigita
Hello everyone! I got a 50eur note (First series) with the printer code J100 while travelling through Belgium. It might be nothing special but it is the first time in 6 years of Eurobilltracker that I find a J100. Is it rare or valuable at all? Thanks

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:49 pm
by lmviterbo
savesigita wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:44 am
J100. Is it rare or valuable at all?
Not at all. Close to 13.000 J100 have already been registered on EBT (87% of them in Italy).

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:34 am
by savesigita
Hello!
Just wondering if this note with the hologram printed slightly more left (part of it on the shortcode) has any extra value,
thanks!
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Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:19 pm
by Seamlezz
Hi,

I found an article about rare euro notes and found in my wallet this 2002 50€ note which has a country code R. Couldnt find anything about that code so is it a common one or rare? Im not a collector or anything so I just was curious.

Re: Notes and what to keep

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:16 pm
by ART
R was the reserved code for Luxembourg, but this state never printed its banknotes and used those printed by others. It is a fake, probably produced in the first year, when it was not known that Luxembourg would never have issued with its code.