Suspicious notes and users

avij · Post by **avij** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:03 am

kare seems to be active again .. sigh. Perhaps I'll really have to block his access to EBT, I thought he'd understand when I removed his notes. Apparently not

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:56 am

avij wrote:kare seems to be active again .. sigh. Perhaps I'll really have to block his access to EBT, I thought he'd understand when I removed his notes. Apparently not

Is he entering real notes?
Maybe he is back again and now faire.

jabosa2 · Post by **jabosa2** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:26 am

Ralf wrote:
avij wrote:kare seems to be active again .. sigh. Perhaps I'll really have to block his access to EBT, I thought he'd understand when I removed his notes. Apparently not
Is he entering real notes?
Maybe he is back again and now faire.

Do you really think so , Ralf?????

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:29 am

jabosa2 wrote:
Ralf wrote:
avij wrote:kare seems to be active again .. sigh. Perhaps I'll really have to block his access to EBT, I thought he'd understand when I removed his notes. Apparently not
Is he entering real notes?
Maybe he is back again and now faire.
Do you really think so , Ralf?????

Maybe that he thought they was seen it and now a new start it is possible.
I think it is waste of time when he begin again with entering fake notes.

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:39 pm

The notes from the picture are mostly fake! There are no €200-€500/V/M bills and no €5-€20-€100 X/R notes!

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:14 pm

Elmo wrote:The notes from the picture are mostly fake! There are no €200-€500/V/M bills and no €5-€20-€100 X/R notes!

Yes now I can see it I had not notice that you can make the picture bigger.

joergb30 · Post by **joergb30** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:53 pm

I have found another typo:
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2961631

(I think the real code must be U/L)

peter_at · Post by **peter_at** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:00 pm

avij wrote:kare seems to be active again .. sigh. Perhaps I'll really have to block his access to EBT, I thought he'd understand when I removed his notes. Apparently not

Have you sent him an email clearly stating that we dislike his practice and mentioning that it is possible to detect fake notes? I am afraid that it would not really help but I think we should not exclude somebody without sending him a warning email before. So I suggest to write him an email stating that this is his very last chance and any further misbehaviour will lead to exclusion.
However, if you have sent him a clear warning already, then just block his acount. I dislike this as much as you, but I think it would be the only solution in this case.

avij · Post by **avij** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:31 pm

peter_at wrote:Have you sent him an email clearly stating that we dislike his practice and mentioning that it is possible to detect fake notes? I am afraid that it would not really help but I think we should not exclude somebody without sending him a warning email before. So I suggest to write him an email stating that this is his very last chance and any further misbehaviour will lead to exclusion.
However, if you have sent him a clear warning already, then just block his acount. I dislike this as much as you, but I think it would be the only solution in this case.

My policy has been to correct/remove the notes that have caused the problems and then write a message to the user stating that his/her invalid notes have now been taken care of, and if he/she doesn't start playing by the rules of EBT he/she will risk losing ALL his/her notes. Of course I won't start deleting users' notes if the erroneus notes are merely honest mistakes, but if it looks like those errors have been made on purpose, well, I'm not going to tolerate deliberate abuse that long.

Kare had some "problems" some months ago (browse this thread) and I wrote him a message with this paragraph: If you continue entering notes with incorrect data, ALL your note data will be wiped out from EuroBillTracker. This is just a warning, please start following our rules. I think that's as clear as it can get.

Now that he started entering notes with several denominations (ie. one serial -> 7 entries in EBT) and allegedly emailed some users to generate fake hits, I'd say it's obvious that he doesn't want to play by the rules. This was the reason why I finally decided to remove his notes.

However, he still doesn't seem to understand that he's done something wrong (or he's just playing dumb). So I emailed him one more time.

avij wrote:
kare wrote:Sorry, but what have I done?
So you're ABSOLUTELY sure you're not doing anything wrong? The reason the notes were deleted was that you entered the notes with different denominations, ie. one 5 euro note became 7 notes in EBT; 5e, 10e, 20e, 50e, 100e, 200e, 500e, thus conveniently increasing your ranking in the statistics. This somehow signals us that you're not doing this in good spirit. Another reason is that you've reportedly emailed some other EBT members and offered to make a fabricated hit with that user. That is also against EBT's rules. In fact, there are very few rules that you HAVEN'T broken, so it was finally time to remove you from EBT.

He replied by denying my message, "it's out of his control" and "he never invited someone to make artificial hits". I'm still waiting for some evidence about the fake hits before I write my reply to him. Let me know if you think I've been unreasonable with him.

peter_at · Post by **peter_at** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:22 pm

Your policy could not be better. You have warned him often enough and you have given him a lot of chances. So it really seems that the only solution is to block him completely.

Thanks for the explanations. I knew that kare was causing a lot of problems, but I have not been aware that you have made so many efforts (more than I could have imagined) to show him the right way.
Hence a large compliment for you!

Fons · Post by **Fons** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:31 pm

Now we have to look for new users who start acting like this, maybe he's going to try to do it again in another acount.

But avij, thank you very much for doing this! Great job

I still don't know why he said that he didn't do anything wrong in his opinion

avij · Post by **avij** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:54 pm

Fons wrote:Now we have to look for new users who start acting like this, maybe he's going to try to do it again in another acount.

This is exactly the reason why I don't usually block access to accounts, it's easier to keep track of accounts whose notes have simply been erased. I haven't actually blocked his account yet, I'll monitor the situation for a while.

Senior · Post by **Senior** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:18 am

According to the search button, indianajones has been mentioned somewhere in the previous 99 pages of this topic. Since I'm not going to check out exactly whére

, I'd like to mention the following:

Indianajones (from Cagliari) apparently has a 'false code combinations on large notes'-fixation. I just browsed the Tables in the Statistics section to get more clearity on incorrect code combinations. You'd best check out for yourselves:
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 012fa772ba
200€ N-F
100€ T-K
200€ T-K
500€ T-K
100€ U-L
200€ U-L
500€ U-L
200€ V-M
200€ X-P
500€ X-P
100€ X-R
And then I didn't check àll false code combinations... You can't make me believe these are all accidents.
I guess it's best to permanently erase this guy's IP-address from the site.
Greetings,

Senior

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:44 am

I don't know.
I had also entered in the begin of my ebt cariere a (s) shortcode it was a typing mistake

Fons · Post by **Fons** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:20 am

Ralf wrote:I don't know.
I had also entered in the begin of my ebt cariere a (s) shortcode it was a typing mistake

That was only 1 typing error
indianajones made a lot more typing errors, it can't just be a mistake anymore.