I already thoughed he was blockedquerty wrote:Can somebody tell us why he isn't blocked?
Suspicious notes and users
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Still not blocked.
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To me the two last hits are fake. The first one I don't think so, because these two users have entered lots of bills. I don't think these two users are in to making fake hits. I don't know what to think about the second hit. They didn't enter that much notes.
Ah, look at all the lonely Euronotes. Where do they all come from? (The Beatles, Eleanor Rigby)
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Bogus triple hit
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=1220804
I've always thought false hits would not show on the Moderated List, but this does.
Another oddity: this is bill #1220804, according to the url. However, only 1209209 bills were entered when I posted this message.
I've always thought false hits would not show on the Moderated List, but this does.
Another oddity: this is bill #1220804, according to the url. However, only 1209209 bills were entered when I posted this message.
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Both of them have quite many notes entered, perhaps they live close to each other? Yes, there was an incident in the past where they had some hits with each other, I'm not sure what I should do with this.Annie_in_exile wrote:http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=1175830
All the notes entered by stroker65 have also been entered by McGyver, so this is clearly a note that should be moderated.Annie_in_exile wrote:http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=1182113
After initial examination it looks like Sri and Sirilii are two different persons, so unless there's further proof that there's something wrong going on with these, I'd leave those untouched.
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Re: Bogus triple hit
All hits are real hits until proven (=moderated) otherwise. No moderator had seen the note before you did.lmviterbo wrote:http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=1220804
I've always thought false hits would not show on the Moderated List, but this does.
The bill ID number is just a number in the database, it has really no special significance. There are various reasons why the numbers don't match, but the differences come from EBT, not from users. I'll probably replace the ID with something cryptic some day so this wouldn't confuse users.Imviterbo wrote:Another oddity: this is bill #1220804, according to the url. However, only 1209209 bills were entered when I posted this message.
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Re: Bogus triple hit
Shame on meavij wrote:The bill ID number is just a number in the database, it has really no special significance. There are various reasons why the numbers don't match, but the differences come from EBT, not from users.Imviterbo wrote:Another oddity: this is bill #1220804, according to the url. However, only 1209209 bills were entered when I posted this message.
I should have read your previous posts explaining this.That would be an excellent idea. If you find the time to do it, I guess you really should do it.avij wrote:I'll probably replace the ID with something cryptic some day so this wouldn't confuse users.
There seem to be a not neglectable number of fake hits on the moderated list, as far as my suspicions are reasonable. Is it worth it pointing out some already old hits that look like bogus to me? (My number of entered bills is now racing against the total hits number, and I'd love to find a way to leave it behindavij wrote:All hits are real hits until proven (=moderated) otherwise.lmviterbo wrote:I've always thought false hits would not show on the Moderated List, but this does.
) If the answer is yes, I will check first if the suspicious hit was already discussed on the forum -- I'll do a search for the bill id number.
Ones again the question about this user: __/-^-\__ Can there be a reaction of some moderator about this user? In the Dutch forum there are a lot of questions about him, because he is now the number 7 of the Dutch list and there are a lot of Dutch users who don't like to have a fake user above them in the lists! 
Is there some more information available??
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About __/-^-\__ : I've heard that Philippe sent that user an email but I don't know if he got a response for that message. And I don't know what Philippe did for that account after that, and I don't know if the account was "reactivated" afterwards (although technically, there's no such thing as a disabled account, only the password and/or email can be changed to prevent logins). So, ask EuroBillTracker.
OK, thank you for your reaction! I'll ask EuroBillTracker.avij wrote:About __/-^-\__ : I've heard that Philippe sent that user an email but I don't know if he got a response for that message. And I don't know what Philippe did for that account after that, and I don't know if the account was "reactivated" afterwards (although technically, there's no such thing as a disabled account, only the password and/or email can be changed to prevent logins). So, ask EuroBillTracker.
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In the German forum is someone who asked why some of the hits aren't moderated. He says this site has no sence anymore if we let them stay on the interesting hits. This is an invitation for more and more fakers. Some of these hits are made by users from the same place and they haven't entered very much bills he says. I noticed it to that some strange hits are staying very long on the interesting hits list. Why is that?
Ah, look at all the lonely Euronotes. Where do they all come from? (The Beatles, Eleanor Rigby)
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I think because in many cases you can never say for sure if a hit is real or not. Most people who get a hit after 12 bills are fake, but there are certainly people who have a real hit after 12 bills! (like me...). It would be pity if those real hits would be moderated.
So it won't be easy to select which hits are real and which are fake.
But I still think it would be good to select the hits before they appear in the interesting hits list...
So it won't be easy to select which hits are real and which are fake.
But I still think it would be good to select the hits before they appear in the interesting hits list...
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I prefer the current system where we can first see what sort of hit efforts get through - it's sort of a warning system of certain users. If they start to perform regularly on the list, you can almost be sure that something is wrong.
On the other hand I quite agree with the German user. Even though the moderators delete some hits, it happens that other hits between the very same users stay on the list for a long time. As if the moderators' memory lasted for a maximum of 2 days (sorry for saying this ). And there are some hits which certainly look fabricated (he used the German word "gebastelt" which describes the hits even better. 
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I must conclude that I have a suspicious mind . Yeah, I know that someone wrote that the hits are considered real until proved otherwise. I just can't help thinking that in some hit cases there are too many coincidences, and therefore a whistle-blowing message on this list is well-founded although no measures may not be taken.
On the other hand I quite agree with the German user. Even though the moderators delete some hits, it happens that other hits between the very same users stay on the list for a long time. As if the moderators' memory lasted for a maximum of 2 days (sorry for saying this
). And there are some hits which certainly look fabricated (he used the German word "gebastelt" which describes the hits even better. )I must conclude that I have a suspicious mind
. Yeah, I know that someone wrote that the hits are considered real until proved otherwise. I just can't help thinking that in some hit cases there are too many coincidences, and therefore a whistle-blowing message on this list is well-founded although no measures may not be taken.-
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Alright, here's my opinion: fake hits are bad, but even worse is if genuine hits are moderated. I've just sent an explanatory email to one Swiss user who said he'd quit EBT because his hit was moderated. I can understand the moderator's decision somewhat, as there aren't that many euro notes entered in Switzerland.
I suppose some moderators look at the number of notes entered by a user when deciding whether the hit was real or not, but this can't be the only reason for moderating. One Finnish user recently got a hit with the first note he entered, and there wasn't even a URL written on the note.
Annie, how would you feel if you finally got your first hit and it was moderated, because either the distance or time difference for the hit was too small? I'd guess you'd be pretty mad at the moderators for doing that decision. You'd probably complain to the forum about the moderation. But you can't expect everyone to try to change the decision, most of them will probably just say "screw this, I have better things to do" and never enter any notes again.
Basically it all boils down to this: if there was a 100% certain way to detect fake notes and hits there wouldn't be any found on EBT. But as there isn't such a way, you'll have to accept that some notes/hits may be bogus. If the problems with the fake notes/hits for that particular user grow to extraordinary proportions something will be done.
I suppose some moderators look at the number of notes entered by a user when deciding whether the hit was real or not, but this can't be the only reason for moderating. One Finnish user recently got a hit with the first note he entered, and there wasn't even a URL written on the note.
Annie, how would you feel if you finally got your first hit and it was moderated, because either the distance or time difference for the hit was too small? I'd guess you'd be pretty mad at the moderators for doing that decision. You'd probably complain to the forum about the moderation. But you can't expect everyone to try to change the decision, most of them will probably just say "screw this, I have better things to do" and never enter any notes again.
Basically it all boils down to this: if there was a 100% certain way to detect fake notes and hits there wouldn't be any found on EBT. But as there isn't such a way, you'll have to accept that some notes/hits may be bogus. If the problems with the fake notes/hits for that particular user grow to extraordinary proportions something will be done.