Suspicious notes and users

[mollie3]

can't he get an E-mail on which he has to give an answer to us where he explains how it's possible that there are so much of the same numbers.
If he don't give an answer he should be deleted from the list....

[francky]

What about this:
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=1264617
and this:
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=1264615

[Gauss]

It has already been explained by ZEUS in this forum that there is a great likelihood that his has hits with Hera. They result from usual exchange of money and are not intended to be abuse of the site.

[Annie_in_exile]

So what's wrong with it?
If the grandson has convinced Grandma to put in the computer her bills?

Dear Zeus and your heavenly extended family, please remember every tracker's first rule: You should not give registered money to another tracker. If you are in a frequent contact with a fellow tracker, you should avoid exchanging notes (and situations where your notes may get mixed). This principle covers your whole family and circle of friends/acquaintances, Grandma is not an exception. Well, seriously: we can assume that you know your wife/son is a tracker and vice versa, so you should be careful not to register each others' notes.

And how to avoid this? There are several possibilities: write a tiny dot on a previously agreed spot on the bill after it has been registered by either of you, so you can always see in beforehand whether the note is in the system already. Or if you're going to give your wife some household money, you can put some notes aside after you've registered them and give them to your wife in an envelope, asking her not to enter those, just the ones she receives from an outsider. Also, I cannot see any reason why you and your wife couldn't share the same user profile when entering the notes. Just use the comment field for the stories like "Zeus got this note in Xxxstadt, gave it as household money to Hera who spent it in Düsseldorf". Less than 100 characters, it will fit into the comments box.

On the German forum you suggest that there should be separate boxes to tick according to the geography - whether the note was received or spent in Brussels or somewhere else. Why don't you register your notes in a separate file before putting them into the EBT system? It's quite convenient to copy the note details from that file and then transfer them to the sheet for registration. You could update that file on your own computer, adding details about the place where you got the note from and where you spent it, and if/when there's a hit, you would have some background information. (I do that all the time, take my notebook, write a couple of the note's numbers and a remark "was spent on a surprise trip to Holland/Breda during the weekend" and then update the note file on my computer later.)

[lmviterbo]

Dear Zeus and your heavenly extended family, please remember every tracker's first rule: You should not give registered money to another tracker.

Although I understand and support this basic rule -- and therefore any real hit between me and any other known tracker I innocently exchanged money with would not be interesting to me (neither to EBT) --, let me point out that I feel these Olympian fellows are in good faith. They just didn't quite get EBT's rules, which is more than understandable taking into account the really scarce information about them on the official pages.

ThomasB (if I remember well) has already said the same some weeks ago, and I'm willing to write this basic information, should the wEBTmasters give me their agreement.

Plus, there are at least 4 other euro tracking websites, and I wouldn't mind if eurobilltracker.com linked to them, explaining unashamedly why they are different (and one of the differences is precisely this rule). I'm sure ThomasB would approve of this, being himself both a good EBTracker (and poster) and the owner of another one of these sites.

[lmviterbo]

It's probably not possible on phpBB, but it would be really nice if everyone quoted or cited here received some kind of notification. At least when links are made to their bills or hits.

Remember the old Latin maxim, in dubio pro reo (when in doubt, the alledged faker is always innocent -- that is, until proven otherwise). I wouldn't like that someone here posted any doubt about one of my entries, and I couldn't defend my case, or couldn't have the opportunity to aknowledge some mistake (they too can happen).

[Thomas B]

Although I understand and support this basic rule -- and therefore any real hit between me and any other known tracker I innocently exchanged money with would not be interesting to me (neither to EBT) --, let me point out that I feel these Olympian fellows are in good faith. They just didn't quite get EBT's rules, which is more than understandable taking into account the really scarce information about them on the official pages.

ThomasB (if I remember well) has already said the same some weeks ago, and I'm willing to write this basic information, should the wEBTmasters give me their agreement.

Plus, there are at least 4 other euro tracking websites, and I wouldn't mind if eurobilltracker.com linked to them, explaining unashamedly why they are different (and one of the differences is precisely this rule). I'm sure ThomasB would approve of this, being himself both a good EBTracker (and poster) and the owner of another one of these sites.

I really agree to the idea of a better explanation of the rules on the EBT-website! But it wasn't me who said that some weeks ago and I don't own another tracking-site either. I've just a site with some EBT-statistics...

But this doesn´t matter. Thanks for calling me a good EBTracker! Links to other trackingsites however wouldn't have a high priority for me. I don't see why this would help against fake users and entry's.

[bhoeyb]

I think it is really fake again!! It was just lucky that he entered a correct code of HNL. Don't forget that he entered a lot of fake €5,- notes (it is allmost impossible to get that much bills with succeeding numbers), so why would those €200,- notes be real?? Of course it's possible, but I think it's very suspicious.

Fake, fake, FAKE for me! I think this hit with HNL is just coinsidence.

Let's see how the moderators deal with this.

I think they just don't care anymore ... there's so much evidence he's faking ... .

[Olivier]

I think they just don't care anymore ... there's so much evidence he's faking ... .

The moderators can't delete the fake entries... Only Avij and the webmaster can. We have talked about it several time, but the moderators team (for the hits) is not the same as the moderators of the forum.

[Thomas B]

The moderators can't delete the fake entries... Only Avij and the webmaster can. We have talked about it several time, but the moderators team (for the hits) is not the same as the moderators of the forum.

Of course the moderators of the forum and the site are different. But as anyone can see, there is much work to do in deleting fake entery's. Why don't the moderators of the site ask for voluteers who know the rules and can help to banisch all the fake entery's from EBT?? EBT depends on his users, so let them help to keep EBT clear from rubbish!!

[Olivier]

Why don't the moderators of the site ask for voluteers who know the rules and can help to banisch all the fake entery's from EBT?? EBT depends on his users, so let them help to keep EBT clear from rubbish!!

I agree...

[Gauss]

Why don't the moderators of the site ask for voluteers who know the rules and can help to banish all the fake entery's from EBT?? EBT depends on his users, so let them help to keep EBT clear from rubbish!!

It will start with the problem that the interpretation of the rules varies greatly among possible volunteers. For example, apart from some clearly dubious users there are quite many cases that deserve a thorough consideration.
Frankly, I doubt that users who are angry at fakers (and these are the most likely volunteers) would take that time. That'd be a pity; I'm quite sure that it is more harmful to the site to ban innocent, or mostly innocent, very active users than to tolerate a number of questionable (but not undoubtedly fake) entries.

[Thomas B]

Of course this is a problem, but rules can be made and it's not necessary to delete all doubtfull hits. What I mean is a team to clear up all the entery's of wich is undoubtly clear that they are fake (like most of the entry's of __/-^-\__ for example). And of course you can make the discision of marking a user of hit 'fake' with more people. For I know there is a special hidden part of the forum in which the moderators can discuss with each other. So nobody have to make the discision of marking a user/hit fake by its own!

[Aaron]

I think a special rule concerning fakers should be legislated.

If you get caught for entering just ONE fake note the whole note account will be erased.

If someone enters sequental notes he/she must be ready to give an explanation.

I agree that user __/-^-\__ must be blocked AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. The moderators really have to start to do something against this.

[Elmo]

I think a special rule concerning fakers should be legislated.

If you get caught for entering just ONE fake note the whole note account will be erased.

If someone enters sequental notes he/she must be ready to give an explanation.

I agree that user __/-^-\__ must be blocked AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. The moderators really have to start to do something against this.

I can't agree more!