Suspicious notes and users

Fons · Post by **Fons** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 8:46 pm

HITS

why!

2003-11-12 20:12:05 Lxxxx6743xxx Pekka Thai - retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 19:21:48 Txxxx2319xxx kare - biker5020 - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:21:05 Nxxxx0513xxx kare - biker5020 - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:20:16 Nxxxx1610xxx kare - biker5020 - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:19:32 Xxxxx3377xxx kare - biker5020 - bergxx

2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx4962xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx4372xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx5528xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx5527xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx5512xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx5753xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:07 Nxxxx5834xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:32:21 Xxxxx0447xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:31:35 Xxxxx2182xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:30:41 Xxxxx7076xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:29:52 Xxxxx6183xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:29:26 Lxxxx1061xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:26 Lxxxx3043xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:26 Lxxxx7335xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:26 Lxxxx5125xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Lxxxx1792xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Lxxxx3744xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Xxxxx6514xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Lxxxx2488xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Lxxxx7247xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Lxxxx0915xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Lxxxx9887xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:29:25 Lxxxx9973xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:28:49 Xxxxx8398xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:28:03 Xxxxx6956xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:27:14 Xxxxx2857xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:26:28 Xxxxx6446xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx4082xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx2172xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx1337xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Sxxxx1881xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx8912xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx2522xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx4230xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx9941xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx7580xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx9546xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx9223xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:26:03 Lxxxx7797xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:25:36 Uxxxx9903xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:24:43 Mxxxx0501xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:23:58 Xxxxx1947xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:23:12 Nxxxx0113xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Sxxxx2552xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx4646xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx5194xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx8172xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Pxxxx0594xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx1215xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Pxxxx3084xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Pxxxx2036xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Pxxxx1259xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx8767xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx5849xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Lxxxx8604xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Pxxxx0680xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Sxxxx3673xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Pxxxx3987xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Lxxxx8694xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Vxxxx3226xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:16 Lxxxx6736xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:16 Lxxxx4118xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:16 Xxxxx9422xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:16 Lxxxx6582xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:16 Xxxxx7127xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Lxxxx3246xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Lxxxx1582xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Lxxxx2807xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Lxxxx2863xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Lxxxx6426xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Lxxxx2833xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Xxxxx3580xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:37:15 Lxxxx1551xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:54 Xxxxx7901xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx8767xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx5849xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Sxxxx2552xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx4646xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx5194xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Lxxxx8172xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:22:56 Pxxxx0594xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Pxxxx3987xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Lxxxx8694xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Vxxxx3226xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Sxxxx3673xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Lxxxx8604xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:59 Pxxxx0680xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:19:58 Lxxxx3483xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:18:59 Xxxxx1390xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:17:35 Xxxxx9586xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:16:13 Xxxxx3269xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:14:56 Nxxxx2791xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:13:14 Sxxxx6931xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:12:19 Nxxxx7064xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:12:05 Lxxxx5887xxx retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 20:12:05 Lxxxx5912xxx retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 20:12:05 Lxxxx3733xxx retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 20:12:05 Lxxxx5483xxx retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 20:12:05 Lxxxx3029xxx retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 20:12:05 Xxxxx1779xxx retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 20:11:36 Xxxxx7595xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:10:37 Nxxxx2826xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:07:28 Xxxxx4543xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:06:42 Xxxxx8164xxx kare - bergxx

2003-11-12 20:05:42 Lxxxx2199xxx retsi - Pekka Thai
2003-11-12 20:04:48 Nxxxx4222xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:04:05 Xxxxx7933xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:03:18 Nxxxx7138xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:02:35 Nxxxx5626xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:01:29 Xxxxx7555xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:59:58 Xxxxx3986xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:58:52 Nxxxx1379xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:57:58 Lxxxx6776xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 19:57:15 Xxxxx6119xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:56:29 Sxxxx7388xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:55:40 Xxxxx6440xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:54:50 Nxxxx2060xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:53:43 Nxxxx0130xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:53:03 Uxxxx7826xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:52:20 Xxxxx0127xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:51:30 Zxxxx3585xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:50:31 Xxxxx4747xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:49:25 Zxxxx0634xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:48:35 Uxxxx9355xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:47:36 Nxxxx4499xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:46:46 Xxxxx1403xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:43:09 Nxxxx0361xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:42:08 Xxxxx9949xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:41:28 Uxxxx4915xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:37:18 Xxxxx6843xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:35:36 Xxxxx5634xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:33:50 Sxxxx6712xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:32:56 Xxxxx0912xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 19:32:03 Xxxxx4733xxx kare - bergxx
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx2898xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx2500xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx8179xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx9737xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Uxxxx9796xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Xxxxx1356xxx Pekka Thai - retsi
2003-11-12 20:33:19 Lxxxx3189xxx Pekka Thai - retsi

There were A LOT more

avij · Post by **avij** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 9:23 pm

Fons wrote:There were A LOT more

Oh dear..

Fons · Post by **Fons** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 10:22 pm

Someone really has to delete and block those users!!!!!!!!!!!

Blueman · Post by **Blueman** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:00 pm

Fons wrote:Someone really has to delete and block those users!!!!!!!!!!!

retsi - Pekka Thai
that are 2 top users...
why oh why

airis · Post by **airis** » Wed Nov 12, 2003 11:18 pm

Isn't any sort of automatic moderation system possible?

Moderators could decide to use automatic moderation, if two users seem to get a lot of uninteresting hits with each other. Hits that they get with each other won´t be seen on the interesting hit list anymore.

People who know each other and think that they will accidently get hits. They could ask their hits automaticly moderated.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:18 am

Having a hit when having entered only a few notes. Possible !
Both users having few notes entered ? Possible !
==> every hit between two users with only a few notes are on this list ? NOOOO !!!!!!!

The second trigger to end up in the list I made was the time the note travelled before being entered the second time.
Remarkably, a lot of hits between 2 users with few bills is a note that travelled very shortly (< 1 month), while genuine hits usually travel more than one month !

Those two thing put together, I made a list of suspicious notes (4 first pages of ‘interesting hits’)

Ex below: Two users with little notes, but long travel time for the note ==> I accept this one …
(just to state clear that, yes I am very critical, but not impossible)
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce

==>
Interesting hits I have doubts about,
The trigger to end on the list is a travel time < 1 month
(some of the hits listed probably will be real, but I dare to say at least 75 % is fake):

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
2 hits on 78
1 hit on 5
hitting note entered with 6 days difference

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
the other hit of Amah is mentioned somewhere else in this list also : 5 days difference between his two hits…

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
definitely fake, the same two users had another hit amongst each other

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
this hit was the first note entered by Nils E. so unless the bill caried an URL ...

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
few notes, travel time < 1 month

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
notes entered with two days difference. Moreover, another interesting hit by Jarrod has been deleted already as there was no doubt it was false. Strange this one gets accepted then …

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
needs no further explanation

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
3 hits on 56 notes for Neko. Travel time for this hit : 3 days …

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
once again, few notes, short travel time …

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
unless the URL was written on the note, this is too good to be true

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
travel time + 2 hits on 20 notes …

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
Sure …

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
notes entered with 9 minutes difference !!!

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
2 hits on 3 notes, both hits with the same user wh has 15 notes. Very interesting indeed.

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
1 hit on 111 notes
1 hit on 108 notes
they registered on the site with one day difference.
Hitting note entered with two days difference ==> Possibly know each other ?

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce

2 days difference. 5 hits on 153 notes

. Waasa 1 hit on 31, less at the time of the hit.

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
two hits that are too good to be true

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
dubious

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
two days before, the same users already had a hit with each other

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
I believe it’s the third time I meet Alepub in a hitlist of one month. Lucky guy !

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... 0264d577ce
suspicious because : Mies has entered only one bill; the other user has two hits on 124 notes…

Blueman · Post by **Blueman** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:33 am

Big list..
looked at all of them..
and i believe that all of the notes are suspicious...

DrGreenTom · Post by **DrGreenTom** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 12:44 am

hmm, i was the one made the list, something must have gone wrong with the auto-login.

As i got bored, i stopped looking for suspicious notes after the 4th page of interesting hits. Feel free to finish the job

Even though clearly mentioned in my mail, i clearly want to state i do NOT say all those hits are fake. They are suspicious. that's a big difference ...

bhoeyb · Post by **bhoeyb** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:43 pm

These notes are REALY FAKE

!
The have all the same code and different value: this, this, ...
These are the bill entry IDs: 1391055-1391060, 1391038-1391042, ... and many more. All entered by user Jempha in Rovaniemi between 19:18 and 19:51 h.

STOP him !

BTW, looks like he enters also real notes. Messing up our database to raise your amount of notes

.

Fons · Post by **Fons** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:07 pm

You're right!

Jempha made a lot of entries with same serials and al the values, every time: 1x €5, 1x €10, 1x €20, 1x €50, 1x €100, 1x €200, 1x €500.

avij · Post by **avij** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:55 pm

bhoeyb wrote:STOP him !

I sent him an email yesterday, let's keep an eye on him to see if this happens again.

lmviterbo · Post by **lmviterbo** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:00 pm

bhoeyb -at work- wrote:How about an automatic message like: 'Your account has been blocked for 2 days because of entering too many suspisious hits. Try again later.' for those who enter for example 3 or 4 hits a day??
Would that be possible to implement?

I really hope I haven't started a witches hunt! I was NOT claiming that the hit between kare and bergxx was fake or even uninteresting. To be true, although I am not at all fond of fakers and am not a bit interested in producing an uninteresting hit myself, I find this policial state advised and praticed by many fellow posters disgusting (yes, this is the word).

I was not (and still am not) aware of the these guys being "inserting fake hits every day the last weeks". (I follow whenever I can this topic, not on a daily basis but almost, so maybe I lost ALL posts about these alledged fakers' hits).

So, I would ask moderators to kindly explain why the hit was withdrawed from the interesting hits list. I will be quite relieved if it was deleted following some email by the hitters themselves. (BTW, I am aware that moderators are not fierce hangmen as some fellow posters would like them to be.)

Believe, I know the Portuguese hits list quite well and do think that half a dozen hits in the interesting hits list are in fact uninteresting. I will, however, when I have the time to do so, explain why I think so about them, and would never delete a hit without before getting in touch with the supposed fakers (or hitters that innocently didn't quite get the EBT rules).

avij · Post by **avij** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:28 pm

lmviterbo wrote:I was not (and still am not) aware of the these guys being "inserting fake hits every day the last weeks". (I follow whenever I can this topic, not on a daily basis but almost, so maybe I lost ALL posts about these alledged fakers' hits).

H e r e y o u c a n s e e a f e w o f t h e i r h i t s . I t h i n k m o d e r a t i n g t h a t p a r t i c u l a r h i t w a s j u s t i f i e d o r w h a t d o y o u t h i n k ?....

There are a few non-hits among those, sorry, my bad. But you got the idea..

emmem · Post by **emmem** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:36 pm

lmviterbo wrote: I really hope I haven't started a witches hunt! I was NOT claiming that the hit between kare and bergxx was fake or even uninteresting.

I don't think you started a which hunt. The hit there was probably moderated without your post anyway...

lmviterbo wrote: I was not (and still am not) aware of the these guys being "inserting fake hits every day the last weeks". (I follow whenever I can this topic, not on a daily basis but almost, so maybe I lost ALL posts about these alledged fakers' hits).

So, I would ask moderators to kindly explain why the hit was withdrawed from the interesting hits list. I will be quite relieved if it was deleted following some email by the hitters themselves. (BTW, I am aware that moderators are not fierce hangmen as some fellow posters would like them to be.)

At this time I don't think they are fakers. But their hits together are uninteresting because there are many similar ones. And when I say many I mean many

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15...

More here and here

avij · Post by **avij** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:42 pm

Oh yes, the bills of __/-^-\__ have now been deleted.

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