RFID Tags Already in Euro Notes

[Klazu]

This all is pretty interesting and I would also like to destroy those damn RFID's. Anything new to this subject?

[Dakkus]

I microwaved a few notes long time ago. I believe the hole comes because of the metal stripe itself. Somehow the wavelength of the microwave oven causes the note's metal stripe to always get hottest from the same place.
Why I suppose this is because one note happened to get the hole in a bit different place from the other ones. I don't know why, but it just did. And I'd believe the RFID tags to be always in the same place.

However, what I've stated here is based solely on my own thinking and is based on no sure facts.

[androl]

hey, I have never seen this topic, thanks for bumping
so, has there been any proof or official statements that those tags exist? Or do we have to rely on the "reports" and on the intuition that the exploding strip really is due to an RFID tag?

And, what are the tags really for?
This site, http://www.propagandamatrix.com, looks to me like one of those horror-spreading things of the type "The US government did the 9-11 attacks, Diana was murdered by the CIA and Elvis still lives", I don't believe in their stories of the government controlling every one of our steps.

edit: fixed link

[Poutsi]

hey, I have never seen this topic, thanks for bumping
so, has there been any proof or official statements that those tags exist? Or do we have to rely on the "reports" and on the intuition that the exploding strip really is due to an RFID tag?

At least many news sites have had a story:

http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20011219S0016
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/0,3902 ... 074,00.htm
http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39 ... 316,00.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/27 ... _are_here/
http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,184 ... ry_related

Many sites say there has been talks between ECB and Hitachi about sand grain sized RFID chips. Wired has probably the best story. A quote:

A spokesman for the ECB in Frankfurt confirmed on July 4 that the bank intends to add further protection to the euro and that the next series will incorporate updated features, "because technology is advancing rapidly and you have to keep pace with that."

The spokesman, Jean Rodriguez, stopped short of identifying the new features or their makers, saying all contracts with third parties are subject to strict confidentiality agreements.

A Hitachi spokesman acknowledged awareness of the ECB project, but said his company was under a nondisclosure agreement and could not confirm whether Hitachi would provide RFID chips for the bank, which released 8 billion euros in January 2002. The deadline for the project has been reported as 2005.

[Senior]

...and that the next series will incorporate updated features...

...and could not confirm whether Hitachi would provide RFID chips for the bank...

So the ECB doesn't even mention RFID's. And the Hitachi spokesman says he can't confirm anything (I suppose the word 'RFID' was given by the reporter: "Can you confirm you make RFID's for the ECB?" "No, sorry.").

Also, by adding RFID's to banknotes a number of laws should be created to make sure not everyone can legally use them to automatically track notes.

Moreover, where should the departments of justice get the manpower from to work with these things? They already have to few people to use every technical solution they have available.

And then finally, the only use for RFID's without changing laws would be the verification of the originality of a banknote by shopkeepers and banks. When you study a banknote more detailed you can do without the RFID to see if it's real or fake.

Big Brother might be watching you, but at least for now not from your banknotes.
Greetings,

Senior

[androl]

I put some notes into the microwave, and guess what: the security strip was heated, but also the hologram

[peter_at]

It is remarkable that the note is burnt only at some spots. Is there a correlation with the inscription on the strips?

[Xander v a]

In the first article the question was put, wy start with € 5 and € 10 notes with RFID.
It is because they are the most commonly used and nobody pays attention to them. If I receive a € 500 note is is so rare that I watch it carefully and will detect counterfeits immidiatly, so will shopkeepers and banks.
But exept for EBT people nobody watches smaller notes closely.

Since we EBT watch notes carefully it would interest me to know whether a EBT already discovered counterfeit notes.

[androl]

why should the ECB put new security features to 5€ notes first? They would be good against counterfaiting, but 5€ notes are not the ones that are faked very often. Also, it would be more expensive to put them in 5€ notes than in 50€ notes, because smaller notes have to be renewed earlier.

It is remarkable that the note is burnt only at some spots.

I don't see a problem there. At one spot it starts to burn first because it is the thinnest part and there it explodes. And the spot is not always at the same position. And when it burns at one place, something makes the strip not to burn somewhere else within some mm up or down

[shugal]

Personally, I think this is a hoax. I don't think the technology is already able to produce sandgrain-sized RFID-tags. All RFID tags I have seen so far have at least a size of 2 cm x 2 cm, which does fit to the burns on the new 20 USD bill, but not to the very tiny burns on some of the Euro bills. I think these burns, which seem to occur only on unharmed (like new) bills, are happening at the place where the metal strip is in resonation with the microvaves (which induce electricity in metal), most probably at multiples of the microvave's wavelength. If the metal strip is broken (folded), the electric conduit is interrupted, thus no burns. Bills with would come from microvaves which emit several different vavelengths, but with different intensity. This is, of course, just my speculation.

[alex77r]

Yes it is a hoax But the next series of notes will be with RFID tags, it is an official source.

[androl]

if there were tags in our notes, we could most probably see them because they would be big enough.

I think these burns, which seem to occur only on unharmed (like new) bills, are happening at the place where the metal strip is in resonation with the microvaves (which induce electricity in metal), most probably at multiples of the microvave's wavelength. If the metal strip is broken (folded), the electric conduit is interrupted, thus no burns. Bills with would come from microvaves which emit several different vavelengths, but with different intensity. This is, of course, just my speculation.

could be true. But I read somewhere that all microwave ovens use the same frequency of 2,45GHz, which is 12cm wavelength.

also have a look at this page:
http://amasci.com/weird/microexp.html

[me]

punch a hole in the middle of the strip, and try again

[Guest]

There are no rfids in notes yet. Just simple aluminium tags.

[androl]

strips, not tags.
now let this topic die, will you?