Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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:note-50: U063 uploaded to EBTCheck until 2025-12-04 were:

flag U**241 - 1
flag U**245 - 4
flag U**246 - 2

There weren't any U060 uploaded yet at the time, but these were the U059:

flag U**248 - 2
flag U**249 - 3
flag U**250 - 1
flag U**256 - 6
flag U**259 - 2
flag U**263 - 1
flag U**274 - 1
flag U**277 - 3

The U050, on the other hand, were not any near that range (the first two may be errors):

flag U**018 - 1
flag U**050 - 1
flag U**091 - 1
flag U**092 - 16
flag U**093 - 81
flag U**094 - 116
flag U**095 - 44
flag U**096 - 23


In sum, I believe that your U060 U**246 is truly a U060, and you haven't made any error.
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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I have checked in EBTCheck "whole notes" table and found also nothing similar. Maybe we just need to wait some more months or there is some kind of a transposed digit error in the serial number.
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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And to give an idea how... French the French are, shortcode determination for U :note-5: :

For the shortcode, U..xxxyz... is the determination
xxx 010..029 shortcode U002
xxx 030 shortcode U003 when y is 0..5, U002 when y is 6..9
xxx 031..039 shortcode U002
xxx 040..059 shortcode U003
xxx 060 shortcode U004 when y is 0..8, U003 when y is 9

No, this does not repeat every 30 shortcodes because:

xxx 061..069 shortcode U003
xxx 070..089 shortcode U004
xxx 090 shortcode U005
xxx 091 shortcode U005 when y is 0..1, U004 when y is 2..9

No this is not some shift that keeps happening beause the double shortcode happens again for xxx 121, 151 and then 178, 198, 202.

Oh, and what about that z? That comes into play at xxx 211.
yz 00..01 is U011
yz 05..17 is U012
yz 20 U011
yz 23..24 U011
26..27 U011
28 U012
29..85 U011 (maybe I got fed up and this needs to be split up more)

Why Chamalieres, WHY!?!!?
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I suspect U :note-10: has similar arrangement because of the data I have, for U :note-20: :note-50: I'm not sure if I have enough data (notes) to determine this, but seeing that there is no linear xxx -> shortcode relation, it probably is.
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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Below is the currently known distribution of :note-50: S/S banknotes by signature. All the help to fill the gaps will be greatly appreciated. (This chart is valid for all :note-50: banknotes of all plates.)
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As most EBTors probably know by now, the :note-50: plates S036, S037 and S041 were issued under two signatures: MD (Mario Draghi) and CL (Christine Lagarde).

I have been updating this post for almost 5 years now (so it's now back on the current thread's page 26), which is basically a list of serial numbers from S**65 to S**90 (the range where these three double-faced plates appear), with an indication of whether its signature is MD or CL. Almost 100 sources have been used for this list, including more than 1000 combos reported here or via pm by many fellow EBTors.

Now, it's time for me to stop updating that list — but not to stop my research (just simpliify it)!

Here's a glimpse of the huge list (in table format) on that post. This is only the beginning and the last row:

≤ S**6541 ≤ S035MD(several sources)
S**6544 S041MD(Seltaeb, @ EBT Forum)
S**6545 S041MD(mistercesare, @ EBT Forum)
S**6546 S034MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6547 S034MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6548 S041MD(Bryce, @ EBT Forum)
S**6551 S041MD(mancuso, @ Delcampe)
S**6558 S036MD(enotes, @ Eurotracer)
S**6565 S036MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6566 S036MD(only5678, @ eBay)
S**6567 S036MD(MARIUS-FFB, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6568 S036MD(philgelico, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6569 S036MD(MARIUS-FFB, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6570 S036MD(nebenbahner, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6574 S041MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6575 S041MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6576 S034MD(mico, @ EBT Forum)
S**6577 S034MD(mico, @ EBT Forum)
S**6578 S036MD(mico, @ EBT Forum)
S**6579 S041MD(ruspa, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6580 S041MD(sabaudo82, @ Delcampe)
S**6581 S041MD(beaweb, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6582 S036MD(Sky, @ EBT Forum)
S**6585 S041MD(Bryce, @ EBT Forum)
S**6586 S041MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6587 S041MD(Bryce, @ EBT Forum)
S**6588 S036MD(Franz, @ Eurotracer)
S**6589 S036MD(trinacria, @ EBT Forum)
S**6591 S036MD(MARIUS-FFB, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6592 S036MD(beaweb, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6593 S036MD(Seltaeb, @ EBT Forum)
S**6595 S036MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6596 S036MD(MARIUS-FFB, @ EBT Forum pm)
S**6597 S036MD(lmviterbo, @ EuroBillTracker)
S**6600 S036MD(Sky, @ EBT Forum)
[…]
≥ S**9051 S038—S040, S046, S048—S050CL(several sources)

In fact, that table reached its limit with 1250 rows, and it will become unformatted if I keep adding more rows. On the other hand, already back in 2021 I have arrived to the conclusion that the MD/CL distribution is actually quite simple (even if the plate distribution is extremely complex). I will keep on registering every new combo on my personal Excel table (with over 2400 notes), in hope of one day finally being able to pinpoint where the exact transictions between signatures lie.

So please keep sending me your findings in any way you wish. I'm interested in the serial numbers and signatures all S036, S037 and S041 notes.

If you want to help without thinking too much, the following is much easier to remember: all :note-50: notes with serial number ≥ S**65.

If, on the other hand, you just want to give me combos that are relevant for this research, please check the chart above, or if you prefer take notice of the transitions I still must fill in:

S**667 & S**668
S**674
S**699 & S**700
S**785
S**789
S**799 & S**800
S**827
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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Da parte mia / From me :

S**6549 :arrow: S041 MD
S**6550 :arrow: S041 MD
S**6559 :arrow: S041 MD
S**6573 :arrow: S041 MD
S**6608 :arrow: S036 MD
S**6618 :arrow: S041 MD
S**6625 :arrow: S041 MD
S**6634 :arrow: S036 MD
S**6638 :arrow: S036 MD
S**6642 :arrow: S037 MD
S**6646 :arrow: S041 MD
S**6658 :arrow: S036 MD
S**6667 :arrow: S037 MD
S**6690 :arrow: S036 MD
S**6694 :arrow: S037 MD
S**6715 :arrow: S037 MD
S**6748 :arrow: S037 CL
S**6885 :arrow: S037 MD 8O
S**7733 :arrow: S035 MD
S**7737 :arrow: S041 MD
S**7741 :arrow: S034 MD
S**7743 :arrow: S035 MD
S**7745 :arrow: S041 MD
S**7746 :arrow: S041 MD
S**775 to 778 :arrow: S041 MD
S**7792 :arrow: S034 MD
S**7810 :arrow: S036 MD
S**7907 :arrow: S041 CL
S**8106 :arrow: S041 MD
S**8108 :arrow: S036 MD
S**8111 :arrow: S036 MD
S**8112 :arrow: S036 MD
S**8113 :arrow: S041 MD
S**81230 to 81235 :arrow: S034 MD
S**81237 :arrow: S041 MD
S**8147 and 8148 :arrow: S041 MD
S**8169 :arrow: S036 MD
S**824x :arrow: S037 MD
S**8253 to 8256 :arrow: S037 MD
S**8257 :arrow: S041 MD
S**8258 :arrow: S037 MD
S**8275 :arrow: S041 CL

S**8325 :arrow: S037 CL
S**8332 :arrow: S041 CL
S**8394 :arrow: S037 CL
S**8448 :arrow: S036 CL
S**8450 :arrow: S037 CL
S**8476 :arrow: S036 CL
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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Grazie / Thanks for caring, LArdennais!

I suspect you are taking that information not from your personal logs but from EBTCheck's Notes Explorer tool.

This tool is great but the signatures are an educated guess (or in this case not that much educated). In fact, Marty (EBTCheck's developer) uses my own information to establish which ranges are (or "should be") MD or CL. If my information is incomplete, the systems has a system to "guess" which should be the signature. This system fails at times; both Marty and I know it, but it's not easy to fix.

All this to say that your S**6885 / S037 is in fact very very likely CL.

Unless you have some photo evidence of the contrary, I will assume that that being shown as MD is simply an EBTCheck mistake.
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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lmviterbo wrote: Sun Jan 25, 2026 1:50 am Grazie / Thanks for caring, LArdennais!

I suspect you are taking that information not from your personal logs but from EBTCheck's Notes Explorer tool.

(...)

All this to say that your S**6885 / S037 is in fact very very likely CL.

Unless you have some photo evidence of the contrary, I will assume that that being shown as MD is simply an EBTCheck mistake.
Absolutely not ! These informations come from MY personal Access-database created from EBT-csv files.

(...)

I have introduced this note on February 2025, so...I have no picture of this one. And according to e...tr...cer stats, only 8 S / S??68*-notes introduced - all with CL-signature...except one. So, I also think that "my" note is also signed by C. Lagarde.
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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LArdennais wrote: Wed Jan 28, 2026 10:13 am These informations come from MY personal Access-database created from EBT-csv files.

I have introduced this note on February 2025, so...I have no picture of this one. And according to e...tr...cer stats, only 8 S / S??68*-notes introduced - all with CL-signature...except one. So, I also think that "my" note is also signed by C. Lagarde.
Oh, I'm glad you are not relying on EBTCheck for this. And thanks again for caring.

Without a photo proof, the most likely explanation is, still, that you made a mistake when taking note of the signature, and I'll detail why.

The ET user who entered that "MD" note you mention (Royal King) made a mistake when copying the data he found on Delcampe. I don't know him but I suspect he is a researcher who enters Delcampe notes on ET, because at a certain point in 2021 I noticed that Royal King registered at ET a lot of notes that appeared for sale.

This particular note was in fact for sale by Delcampe's user "allnotes". The note was sold in 2022-03-08 but I saved the link to that sale, which is still accessible. That page shows a picture of the note. It's the same note that Royal King entered at ET (exact same number until the end), and it's signed Lagarde, not Draghi.

Furthermore, all 124 notes I know in the so-called charge 68 (S??68) are in fact demonstrably CL (yes, I have proof of all of them). Also: EBTCheck's database has 126 notes in the range S**68822 to S**68917, all of them S037. I don't know the signature on most of them, but I know some, and it would be really a huge surprise if there was some isolated MD within the same numeric range where everything else is CL. In particular, I know S**6883 and S**6887 that are CL. There are 9 S**6885 at EBTCheck (including yours) but none of them has the signature in the comments.

In sum: you should consider the possibility of having made a mistake, because it is the most likely explanation (think Occam's Razor).
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Re: Corrispondenza tra codice corto e seriale (miniguida)

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lmviterbo wrote: Thu Jan 29, 2026 2:31 am
Oh, I'm glad you are not relying on EBTCheck for this. And thanks again for caring.

Without a photo proof, the most likely explanation is, still, that you made a mistake when taking note of the signature.

(...)
In sum: you should consider the possibility of having made a mistake, because it is the most likely explanation (think Occam's Razor).
When I do researches from "my" notes, I only use "my" own database, nothing else !

And, I repeat : I have probably made a signature's mistake when entering this note. And I can add this (recently found) : S**6844 :arrow: S036 CL . But if I will found again a S**688, I will check the signature.
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Thanks again, LArdennais!

I had actually misread your sentence, and I thought you were insisting that your note must be MD. 😳

I'm glad you wrote back and I re-read your previous message. And I'm glad we're on the same page.

Thanks again for the careful research of your notes. It really helps to have confirmation of all those notes. 😀
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