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I'm from :flag-de: Germany and I have visited 29 countries up to now:

01 - Germany
02 - Netherlands
03 - Belgium
04 - Luxembourg
05 - United Kingdom
06 - France
07 - Spain
08 - Portugal
09 - Austria
10 - Czech Republic
11 - Italy
12 - Greece
13 - Cyprus
14 - Yugoslavia (ex)
15 - Soviet Union (ex)
16 - Turkey
17 - Egypt
18 - Syria
19 - Jordan
20 - Tunisia
21 - Morocco
22 - Pakistan
23 - India
24 - China
25 - Singapore
26 - Malysia
27 - Thailand
28 - USA
29 - Mexico
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pepitopulpito wrote:So for me, it's OK to consider Gibraltar as a country for this list, I hope no Spanish people listen to me...
Sorry, I disagree. The word "country" can mean many things, just (internationally recognized or unrecognized) independent sovereign states, or also include
- dependent territories / areas of special sovereignty (eg Gibraltar),
- constituent "countries" of a nation state (eg England, Scotland or even Catalonia)
See here for a list
The list of countries in the drop down list in EBT only contains internationally recognized independent sovereign states (although there have previously been all sorts of arguments over why isn't X in the list eg Åland or Aruba) and Gibraltar is therefore not one of them and you have to enter notes with the UK flag. This ranking should therefore use the same criteria (not that it really matters, just trying to be consistent :P )
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coastal wrote:
pepitopulpito wrote:So for me, it's OK to consider Gibraltar as a country for this list, I hope no Spanish people listen to me...
Sorry, I disagree. The word "country" can mean many things, just (internationally recognized or unrecognized) independent sovereign states, or also include
- dependent territories / areas of special sovereignty (eg Gibraltar),
- constituent "countries" of a nation state (eg England, Scotland or even Catalonia)
See here for a list
The list of countries in the drop down list in EBT only contains internationally recognized independent sovereign states (although there have previously been all sorts of arguments over why isn't X in the list eg Åland or Aruba) and Gibraltar is therefore not one of them and you have to enter notes with the UK flag. This ranking should therefore use the same criteria (not that it really matters, just trying to be consistent :P )
A Spanish listened me...
OK, for me it's now bad to consider Gibraltar as a country, which was exactly what I thought before...
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01 Netherlands
02 Belgium
03 Luxembourg
04 France
05 Portugal
06 Germany
07 Switserland
08 Liechtenstein
09 Italy
10 Austria
11 Denmark
12 Norway
13 Sweden
14 Finland
15 Czechia
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coastal wrote:
pepitopulpito wrote:So for me, it's OK to consider Gibraltar as a country for this list, I hope no Spanish people listen to me...
Sorry, I disagree. The word "country" can mean many things, just (internationally recognized or unrecognized) independent sovereign states, or also include
- dependent territories / areas of special sovereignty (eg Gibraltar),
- constituent "countries" of a nation state (eg England, Scotland or even Catalonia)
See here for a list
The list of countries in the drop down list in EBT only contains internationally recognized independent sovereign states (although there have previously been all sorts of arguments over why isn't X in the list eg Åland or Aruba) and Gibraltar is therefore not one of them and you have to enter notes with the UK flag. This ranking should therefore use the same criteria (not that it really matters, just trying to be consistent :P )
It seems you have somewhat misunderstood the point of pepitopulpito's message. He isn't trying to say Gibraltar should be considered a country in the EBT country list, but merely that Gibraltary should be considered a country in the listing of countries he has visited in his lifetime. In other words, he isn't advocating for any change in EBT, only in this one thread you are reading right now.
Whether it's good or not to add some "extra" countries in a ranking list like this is of course a good question to ask, but as this is not a very serious listing anyway, I don't think it will cause much trouble having someone one place too high in it :)
A possible solution would be writing Gibraltar in italics for pepitopulpito and not include it in the ranking numbers. Or something like that, dunno. The matter isn't very important either.

Oh, and..
@pepitopulpito: I don't think coastal got angry about you considering Gibraltar a country. Having come from another country, he might not completely share the views of an average Spaniard :)
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In fact, what I meant at the beginning of this discussion was this...
pepitopulpito wrote:
eurojuanmi wrote:I didn´t remenber this one: Gibraltar
My God! A Spanish saying that Gibraltar is a country! 8O What kind of country is Gibraltar?
I hope you mean you have been in the UK...
But after reading all the wise opinions of everybody, I've reconsidered my opinion and I think that, as you have said, Gibraltar can be a country for this list but not for anything else... and not for a lot of people in Spain, who still think that Gibraltar will be Spanish again... (not me)
The conlusion is that Gibraltar is an Oversea territory of the UK, which is in the middle of being an independent country and a part of UK.
I know that coastal didn't get angry about it, I was just kidding :wink:
Dakkus wrote:but as this is not a very serious listing anyway, I don't think it will cause much trouble having someone one place too high in it :)
Completely agree, so let's go on with the game
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I'm from Italy, so:

:flag-it: Italy
Image Sweden (2004)
:flag-fi: Finland (2003)
Image Estonia (2003)
:flag-de: Germany (2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006)
Image Denmark (2004)
:flag-nl: Nederlands (2001,2005)
Image United Kingdom (England & Scotland) (1996, 2004)
:flag-ie: Ireland (1997)
:flag-fr: France (1986, 1990, 1991, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006)
Image Monaco (1986, 2001)
:flag-es: Spain (2001, 2005, 2006)
:flag-pt: Portugal (2005)
Image Switzerland (1987, 1999, 2001, 2004)
Image Liechtenstein (1999)
:flag-at: Austria (1999, 2004, 2005)
Image San Marino (2003)
Image Vaticano (Holy See) (2000, 2005)
Image Slovenia (2001)
:flag-gr: Greece (2001)
Image Israel (2000)
(West Bank) (2000)

UPDATE

Image United States, to be more precise CA, NV, UT, AZ
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Gibraltar is not a country, it's a part of a country, like Ceuta (Spain), like Jersey and Guernesey (UK), like La Réunion (France)...

Every territory belongs to a country :wink:
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debemaks wrote: So 21 existing countries or 23 if you consider Scotland and England from a "football" point of view and if you consider West Bank as an authonomous country!
I think Scotland is not a country but I´m not sure of West Bank, I think isn´t neither:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank
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Kleman wrote:Gibraltar is not a country, it's a part of a country, like Ceuta (Spain), like Jersey and Guernesey (UK), like La Réunion (France)...

Every territory belongs to a country :wink:
So Gibraltar is a country different from the UK, or is the same?
I think is the same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar

As an overseas territory of the UK, the head of state is Queen Elizabeth II, who is represented by the Governor of Gibraltar. The UK retains responsibility for defence, foreign relations, internal security and financial stability. The Governor is not involved in the day-to-day administration of Gibraltar, and his role is largely as a ceremonial head of state. The Governor officially appoints the Chief Minister and government ministers after an election. He is responsible for matters of defence, security and the Royal Gibraltar Police.

The Government of Gibraltar is elected for a term of four years. The unicameral House of Assembly consists of fifteen elected members, eight Government members, seven opposition members and two ex-officio members appointed by the Governor, the Financial Development Secretary and the Attorney-General. The speaker is nominated by the Government.

The head of Government is the Chief Minister, currently Peter Caruana. There are three political parties currently represented in the House of Assembly: Gibraltar Social Democrats; Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party; and Gibraltar Liberal Party. New Gibraltar Democracy has has been formed since the 2003 election.

The Reform Party and Gibraltar Labour Party having failed to achieve any popular support, ceased operating in 2005.

Gibraltar is a part of the European Union, having joined under the British Treaty of Accession (1973), with exemption from some areas such as the Customs Union and Common Agricultural Policy. After a ten year campaign to exercise the right to vote in European Elections, from 2004, the people of Gibraltar have participated in elections for the European Parliament as part of the South West England region.

As a result of the continued Spanish claim, the issue of sovereignty features strongly in Gibraltar politics. All local political parties are opposed to any transfer of sovereignty to Spain, instead supporting self-determination for the Rock. This policy is supported by the main UK opposition parties. In view of the UK Government's repeated commitment to respect the wishes of the people of Gibraltar, as laid out in the Constitution, the proposal for joint sovereignty is now considered dead.

In March 2006 Jack Straw announced that a new Gibraltar constitution had been agreed and would be published prior to a referendum on its acceptance in Gibraltar that year.
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Post by Dakkus »

Well, the country where Lazza lives, no matter what the name of that country in its largest sense is, is actually originally a union, quite similarly to EU.
It consists of independent countries, which just show a common face to the countries not belonging to the Lazzy Union.

Maybe in the future the EU will look just the same, only with the exception that it will have even deeper union-in-union-in-union schemes, thanks to the Lazzy Union probably keeping its good ol' System as intact as possible ;)

If EU will become a country, the countries inside it will probably still be called countries by many people :)

So, shortly: The Lazzy Union is a country that consist of countries (in this case Scotland, Wales, Gibraltar, Jersey Islands and some other less important territories. Oh, and Malaga, of course!)
Some of those countries may then again consist of other countries and so on. And then there's the commonwealth, which is not in nor over EU, but overlaps with it. A bit like the old provinces in Finland ;)
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lazza wrote:Gibraltar (and the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, the Falkland Islands, etc.) are all self-governing, I think, but that is only to a certain point... as they remain dependancies of the UK.
Don't let the government of Guernsey, for example, hear that. :D "At no time since the Norman Conquest in 1066 has the evolution of the islands' constitutions involved amalgamation with, or subjection to, the government of the United Kingdom. The islands' link with the UK is through the English Sovereign, as latter day successor of the Dukes of Normandy." http://www.tax.gov.gg/aboutGuernsey.html

Not that it actually matters much. Heck, the Vatican is in my list too ...

Andorra
Austria
Belgium
Czechia
Denmark
France
Germany
Hungary
Ireland
Italy
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Mexico
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
San Marino
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States
Vatican

That gets me to a total of 24. Plus the GDR which does not exist any more.

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Italy
San Marino
Vatican
Egypt
Israel
China
South africa
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