Suspicious notes and users

hadibe · Post by **hadibe** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:27 pm

Westinghouse wrote:Is there a kind of connect between EBT and Eurotracer? What if i entered my notes on Eurotracer? Would they know?

Not that i would do it!

At least if you entered the notes with the same nick name everyone could watch all notes you entered.

(except of the last 3 digits)

debemaks · Post by **debemaks** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:46 am

hadibe wrote:
Westinghouse wrote:Is there a kind of connect between EBT and Eurotracer? What if i entered my notes on Eurotracer? Would they know?

Not that i would do it!
At least if you entered the notes with the same nick name everyone could watch all notes you entered.
(except of the last 3 digits)

Pratically ET indicates the value, the whole short code and all the code but the last three numbers. If someone "enjoy" hitting in serials, in the worst chance takes a hit inserting 100 notes.

Many EBT users are also ET users with the same nickname, moreover some of them indicate that a particular not has been also entered in EBT, so in 100 code at last you're sure to have a hit!

haemoglobin · Post by **haemoglobin** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:16 pm

debemaks wrote:...100 notes...

1000

androl · Post by **androl** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:13 pm

haemoglobin wrote:1000

100 x checksum

and that's a hit into series, nothing different to what many fakers here do without knowing of ET.

geldman · Post by **geldman** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:25 am

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=18774964

haemoglobin · Post by **haemoglobin** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:27 am

androl wrote:
haemoglobin wrote:1000
100 x checksum
and that's a hit into series, nothing different to what many fakers here do without knowing of ET.

stupid haemo...

Licht & Feuer · Post by **Licht & Feuer** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:36 pm

Licht & Feuer wrote:I'm affraid that these hit-serials were reconstructed from the ET-website:

Original note of fata:
ET: http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=Z&col=5 (Nr. 1)
EBT: http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2994525

Original note of Ralf_ebt:
ET: http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... =5&page=11 (Nr. 318)
EBT: http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2653342

Original note of Angelino:
ET: http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... =5&page=14 (Nr. 396)
EBT: http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... ;id=109033

Original note of Denniszw:
ET: http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... l=5&page=5 (Nr. 137)
EBT: http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5643612

Original note of rhyk (now anonymous at EBT):
ET: http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5 (Nr. 10)
EBT: http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=7082427

Today No. 6:

ET: http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... l=5&page=1 (Nr. 4)
EBT: http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... ;id=112279

Why is this suspicious? Because there are only a few notes hosted by both sites, having at least 6 ET-Hits within only some 8000+ entries is far away from every probability and should be checked.

MZ-Money · Post by **MZ-Money** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:35 pm

Dakkus wrote: I find it a pity that you have become a target for the Witchhunt.
I would like to point out, however, that this witchhunt is done by only a handful of people and is NOT the official stance of EBT.

Please do not stop entering notes because of a limited number of idiots. They are not administrators, but only normal users exactly like you.
They shoot everything that moves and are most often wrong. Pretty much everyone else has learned to understand that and no more take them seriously. You shouldn't either.

To my knowledge the EBT moderators do not consider you a faker. And that's all that counts. There are those few users who see a witch in you, but you shouldn't care about them. Most of the forum readers do not see you in the way they do.

You should just ignore those idiots. Don't care about what they say.
There's no need to defend yourself on the thread, because those witchhunters don't care about logic. If they say someone is a witch, then for them that's an unreversible fact.
They won't apologize, because they are unable to think they have done something wrong. Although pretty much everyone hates them, they seem to think they are doing the right thing

Thx Dakkus,
but the Witchhunt is going on.

Licht & Feuer · Post by **Licht & Feuer** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:05 pm

Dakkus wrote: ... idiots... they shoot everything that moves and are most often wrong... ignore those idiots.... because those witchhunters don't care about logic... everyone hates them...

Now this is nice, which film is Dakkus watching?

Nothing to add to this statement, especially regarding the "logic".

JP Simões · Post by **JP Simões** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:08 pm

Even considering that last hit is fake (which may well not be, Mz-Money does not make any attempt to enter consecutive serials, and seems to have hitted that note at once. I could also say it's highly unprobable that anyone, wanting to fake would get hits at first attempt.), there are still 19 without any prove of faking. Besides, today, Mz-Money entered more than 77 P/X

, 77 being the number of notes shown on the page which link you showed. Besides, the majority of serial numbers Mz-Money entered today do not seem to be avaliable at Eurotracer (I didn't check them all, I don't need to - my mind is clear now).

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:31 pm

androl wrote:
magpie wrote:ET is a German service. Not deleting your notes is IMHO against the law (Bundesdatenschutzgesetz).

Ralf wrote:They don't delete my notes, because I'm not the owner anymore
But it's still my data which I put there.
I don't know more about that, but I doubt anyone is forced to delete the note data. Probably they only could have to delete your personal information, for example user name, and make it anonymous.
Also, I think (also don't know exactly) that a German law could possibly not be applied to Eurotracer, because the server does not stand in Germany.
But I think, saying, your notes now belong to ET and not any more to you, is a bit weak.

Then, I think the reason why Thomas doesn't want to delete your notes is a different one: he once tried to delete some notes and something went wrong, he put a != instead of a =, or something, and since then he is very scared about doing any "big" things to the database

But I think the whole thing is less serious than you think. Eurotracer hides three digits of the serials, and if anyone tries to find out the hidden parts and enters series of notes to EBT, this will come out. And it has not happened very often yet (I only know of two cases, one can not be repeated again because ET restricted the possibilities, and the other one was a known faker that could not do it without being noticed)

But when my notes are still there people can still enter them at ebt and I get fake hits.
That's why I want they delete all data.

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 6:52 pm

This is just my opinion to the deleting-your-notes case.

If a user who has entered all (or at least the huge majority) of the notes conserned, wants to delete his account and notes, of course he should be able to do so (or have the admins do it for him). I don't understand any other conclusions. The information is provided to the site by the user who has entered the notes, so he "owns" the information, not the admins of the site. A good admin would honor the request of the information provider and delete the notes.

<just speculation>
Maybe admins think the amount of notes in ET is already so small, they don't want to miss any of it what ever the situation...
</just speculation>

No need to comment. Wanted to just say this out loud.

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:02 pm

I see nothing has been done in the entering-your-german-notes-in-Thailand case in almost two weeks. So at least to me it seems it's by now purely OK by the admins to take hundreds of notes from your local bank, travel to Mongolia (or where ever), and mark them there. Maybe, just maybe, you enter some comments about the real location where you got your notes from. If your lucky, you gain some hits, which of course now point between your own country and Mongolia (or what ever). Neat hits easily, don't you think?

I would say crazy, but this is how it looks to me.

Post by **Nerzhul** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 7:54 pm

Klazu wrote:I see nothing has been done in the entering-your-german-notes-in-Thailand case in almost two weeks. So at least to me it seems it's by now purely OK by the admins to take hundreds of notes from your local bank, travel to Mongolia (or where ever), and mark them there. Maybe, just maybe, you enter some comments about the real location where you got your notes from. If your lucky, you gain some hits, which of course now point between your own country and Mongolia (or what ever). Neat hits easily, don't you think?

I would say crazy, but this is how it looks to me.

Bullshit

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:12 pm

I also see some point in Klazu's statement. The notes were gotten in Cologne and this is what should appear in the location.

But well, let us be honest: Next time somebody less honest comments nothing more or comments "deliberately" and then we can only guess if in the end cross-continental hits are real.

In the end, the notes have virtually been in Bangkok but it is a pity if we bow down to the self-importance of people who seem to need that for their egos.

- Asiamaniac -