Suspicious notes and users

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:17 pm

OK, I tried to be a bit provocative, but it's just because I haven't seen anything beeing done to this in so long time (so it seems that the case is being forgotten). I hate false information in EBT. And I strongly disagree with entering notes like this. So I wanted to boost up a little this discussion and maybe see some ending in it.

This ain't any direct attack against the user involved here. Just the way of entering notes wrong IMO.

EDIT: As rough as the Nerzhul's words may seem at first glance, I really enjoyed the reaction he showed here. There's no better word to describe this.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:18 am

Licht & Feuer wrote:
Licht & Feuer wrote:I'm affraid that these hit-serials were reconstructed from the ET-website:

Why is this suspicious? Because there are only a few notes hosted by both sites, having at least 6 ET-Hits within only some 8000+ entries is far away from every probability and should be checked.

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:16 am

Eurotracer is still going strong? Can't they stop and enter their banknotes with their date of entry in EBT?

hafla · Post by **hafla** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:09 am

If you look carefully at the notes entered by Guest you will see something that makes fraude a little less likely:
Take a glimse at:

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5932701
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

The user, nor the location, nor the date in ET is the same as entered on EBT.
If this note would have been entered by Rufus50 in both EBT as ET, he must have kept it for a year, changed his name and moved since.

kredithai · Post by **kredithai** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:19 am

hafla wrote:
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5932701
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

so lange auch ich ständig solchen Verdächtigungen ausgesetzt bin, werde ich keine Noten mehr eingeben.

Die Überprüfung, ob ein "ähnlicher" Schein bei ET registriert ist, ist mir einfach zu aufwändig!

Eventuell kann das ja jemand für die englichen User übersetzen

€€F · Post by **€€F** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:31 am

this hit is a little strange..

Henk/Bep made the note as a first entry in Leerdam.
Nightstalker is from the same town (Leerdam) , but found the note 23 days later in North Italy..

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:34 am

kredithai wrote:
hafla wrote:
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5932701
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

so lange auch ich ständig solchen Verdächtigungen ausgesetzt bin, werde ich keine Noten mehr eingeben.

Die Überprüfung, ob ein "ähnlicher" Schein bei ET registriert ist, ist mir einfach zu aufwändig!

Eventuell kann das ja jemand für die englichen User übersetzen

Translation: As long as I am exposed to such suspicions as well, I will not register any notes anymore.

To check if a "simillar" note has been registered at ET, takes too much effort!

Maybe someone can translate this for the English users.

-- Translationn done by Asiamaniac

hafla · Post by **hafla** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:35 am

FVS wrote:this hit is a little strange..

Henk/Bep made the note as a first entry in Leerdam.
Nightstalker is from the same town (Leerdam) , but found the note 23 days later in North Italy..

At least he entered it in Itali.

After the German-Thai scandal, do we have a Dutch-Italian one now

€€F · Post by **€€F** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:12 am

hafla wrote:
FVS wrote:this hit is a little strange..

Henk/Bep made the note as a first entry in Leerdam.
Nightstalker is from the same town (Leerdam) , but found the note 23 days later in North Italy..
At least he entered it in Itali.
After the German-Thai scandal, do we have a Dutch-Italian one now

certainly not a scandal..but we have to be as pure as possible in my opinion..

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:27 am

Maybe the hitlocations should be Leerdam twice.

hafla · Post by **hafla** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:11 pm

kredithai wrote:
hafla wrote:
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5932701
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

so lange auch ich ständig solchen Verdächtigungen ausgesetzt bin, werde ich keine Noten mehr eingeben.

Die Überprüfung, ob ein "ähnlicher" Schein bei ET registriert ist, ist mir einfach zu aufwändig!

Eventuell kann das ja jemand für die englichen User übersetzen

Ich soll meine komplete Text in Deutch versuchen zu uberzetsen da es niet gut verstanden ist.
Ich machte keine Beschuldigung, aber hab genau das gleiche gesacht wie Sie.

Ubersetzung:
Wenn man gut nach die Scheine, genent durch Guest, schaut dann seht man etwas das Fraude unwahrscheinlich macht:
Zum Beispiel:

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=5932701
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

Die Gebraucher, das Ort und die Tag sind allen anderes in ET als in EBT.
Wann das Schein von Rufus50 in EBT und ET einggegeben is musste er es ein Jahr bewahrt haben, seine name geanderd und nach ein andere Ort gegehen sein.

For the rest:
I translated my original text to German, because it was misunderstood.
If you quote only part of the text it can be taken out of it original context very easily.

androl · Post by **androl** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:27 pm

@guest and all the Eurotracer-witchhunters:
PLEASE STOP THE WHOLE THING, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS!

There are 900.000 notes entered in Eurotracer, if you search for the 4 digits that you see in a EBT note, you will get 90 results in average! How can you think that anyone says that the result list of these 90 ET notes tells you anything about the EBT note? That's bullshit.

this is how the whole thing started, look at it:

androl wrote:I am so much fed up with Kredithai's games
look at these notes
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=15149582
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=N&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=15149583
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... ow=X&col=5

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=15149584
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... w=X&col=10

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=15149585
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... w=X&col=50

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=15149586
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... w=P&col=50

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=15149587
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... w=X&col=10

here, the EBT notes are not only entered in ET, but are each one a hit there (indicated by red line), and I posted more than one EBT note that were entered by the faker in a series (indicated by consecutive note-id-s)
That is the point, you notice the difference?

It's possible to enter notes at EBT where the visible 4 digits are also in ET notes, but it's not possible to enter 10 notes in a row where the 4 visible digits are the same as in one of 200 ET hit notes each.

Economist · Post by **Economist** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:04 pm

I don't know anything about Eurotracer, but it occured to me over the last few months that user Postkutsche has 17 hits, many international ones, with only 1300 notes entered. For living in a remote part of Eastern Germany that is highly unlikely.

In some of his hit notes there are comments by the hit partner that the note was also entered on Eurotracer. See his latest hit: http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=16034334

You think there is any connection between Eurotracer and his suspicious hit ratio?

hafla · Post by **hafla** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:21 pm

androl wrote:PLEASE STOP THE WHOLE THING, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS!

There are 900.000 notes entered in Eurotracer, if you search for the 4 digits that you see in a EBT note, you will get 90 results in average! How can you think that anyone says that the result list of these 90 ET notes tells you anything about the EBT note? That's bullshit.

this is how the whole thing started, look at it:
androl wrote:I am so much fed up with Kredithai's games
look at these notes

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=15149587
http://www.eurotracer.net/statistics/no ... w=X&col=10
here, the EBT notes are not only entered in ET, but are each one a hit there (indicated by red line), and I posted more than one EBT note that were entered by the faker in a series (indicated by consecutive note-id-s)
That is the point, you notice the difference?

It's possible to enter notes at EBT where the visible 4 digits are also in ET notes, but it's not possible to enter 10 notes in a row where the 4 visible digits are the same as in one of 200 ET hit notes each.

I left the last link as proof of your plea.
The ET note was entered by joergB30 from Kassel.
He is also a great EBT-user. (Profile).
So if the two links refer to the same note you would expect it to be a hit with joergB30, wich it is NOT.

Therefore I agree with your statement.

Ernst · Post by **Ernst** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:38 pm

@ Economist

I am not one of those ET misuse experts, but if you search this thread for Postkutsche, there is a long discussion going on about just this link. And it occurs to me that there is good reason to believe that not everything is correct with his account.

I had a hit with him some time ago, with a note I have also entered at ET (I stopped doing that quite some time ago). Well, there probably cannot be a 100% proof this hit was faked, but in this case chances seem to be very high, and the hit was moderated, so he has at least 18 hits.....