Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

[jonman]

at least in the german forum i was told that it is legitimate to enter the village you are in as your location, even if it is part of a bigger town, as long as it won't have a profile for its own. that was so because the dots would be more accurate like this.
so, from my current understanding, it would be ok to enter the airport as your location (as that has influence on the precise location of the dots), as long as the notes are automatically allocated to the profile of the city where the airport is situated.
if it was a vote now, i would be against the policy that international airports should have their own profiles.

[googlejaps]

at least in the german forum i was told that it is legitimate to enter the village you are in as your location, even if it is part of a bigger town, as long as it won't have a profile for its own. that was so because the dots would be more accurate like this.
so, from my current understanding, it would be ok to enter the airport as your location (as that has influence on the precise location of the dots), as long as the notes are automatically allocated to the profile of the city where the airport is situated.
if it was a vote now, i would be against the policy that international airports should have their own profiles.

Thats correct. However note that in Germany the city profiles are managed a bit different than in other countries. In The Netherlands and Belgium all villages get their own city profile. For instance: Schiphol is located in municipality Haarlemmermeer which consists of 24 city profiles. These the large cities to the tiny villages. Therefore it would be weird if Schiphol would not get it's own city profile, and a tiny village would. I guess what I'm trying to say is: Wether or not a city profile should be created for an international airport is dependent on the situation and guidelines on creating a city profile in that country.

I thought that the city managers decided to make a city profile for international airports. This would be an exception on the guidelines in countries like Germany. The reason for this would be that international airports are located far from the location the airlines state on your ticket. When you fly to Amsterdam, that means you fly to Schiphol. This is not even the same municipality and located some 10 kilometers from Amsterdam. In some cases it even is located in another province (Groningen Airport Eelde, Groningen is in province Groningen, while Eelde - the real location - is in province Drenthe), or even in another country (Maastricht Aachen Airport, not in Maastricht, not in Aachen, and certainly not in Germany)

Therefore it would be a lot easier for travellers when they could enter their notes using the name of the airport. This way they don't have to research the real name of the location.

Just a few examples:

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Fly to     Airport            Municipality                   Distance    Other dot?
Amsterdam  Schiphol           Haarlemmermeer                 16 km       yes
Paris      Charles de Gaulle  Roissy                         24 km       no
Madrid     Madrid-Barajas     San Sebastián de los Reyes     13 km       yes
                              Paracuellos de Jarama
Vienna     Wien-Schwechat     Schwechat                      18 km       no
Helsinki   Helsinki-Vantaa    Vantaa                         21 km       no

[vermeer]

Please stop the nonsense to call Eelde Groningen Airport a town.

It is and will be Eelde:
9761 TK Machlaan 1 t/m 5 EELDE
9761 TK Machlaan 2 t/m 44 EELDE
9761 TK Machlaan 35 EELDE

[groentje]

No problem, then, the dot Eelde-Groningen Airport is merged with Eelde, or isn't it?

[dserrano5]

My personal opinion goes along the lines of yours. I think it's ok for people to enter notes in "ABC airport" as long as that location is merged into the relevant city. As a city manager, that's what I do when I find/am told about a spanish airport not merged into a city.

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Fly to     Airport            Municipality                   Distance    Other dot?
Madrid     Madrid-Barajas     San Sebastián de los Reyes     13 km       yes
                              Paracuellos de Jarama

Madrid-Barajas airport is administratively located inside Madrid (not San Sebastián or Paracuellos), and that's where it belongs (Barajas is just a district inside Madrid, and doesn't warrant a city profile since it doesn't appear in the National Institute of Statistics listings). In the spanish forum there's a general opinion that it should be merged with Madrid—otherwise, notes entered in the Barajas district are automatically assigned to the airport, which is wrong.

Just my 2 cents .

[googlejaps]

My personal opinion goes along the lines of yours. I think it's ok for people to enter notes in "ABC airport" as long as that location is merged into the relevant city. As a city manager, that's what I do when I find/am told about a spanish airport not merged into a city.

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Fly to     Airport            Municipality                   Distance    Other dot?
Madrid     Madrid-Barajas     San Sebastián de los Reyes     13 km       yes
                              Paracuellos de Jarama

Madrid-Barajas airport is administratively located inside Madrid (not San Sebastián or Paracuellos), and that's where it belongs (Barajas is just a district inside Madrid, and doesn't warrant a city profile since it doesn't appear in the National Institute of Statistics listings). In the spanish forum there's a general opinion that it should be merged with Madrid—otherwise, notes entered in the Barajas district are automatically assigned to the airport, which is wrong.

Just my 2 cents .

According to the english wikipedia it's located in 4 cities: Madrid, Alcobendas, San Sebastián de los Reyes and Paracuellos de Jarama. The Spanish wikipedia says so too. I've never been there, so I based my posting on these sources.

[klapotec]

According to the english wikipedia it's located in 4 cities: Madrid, Alcobendas, San Sebastián de los Reyes and Paracuellos de Jarama. The Spanish wikipedia says so too. I've never been there, so I based my posting on these sources.

Ah, but is that the airport building(s), where you can get bills, or the whole airport including runways? The Graz airport e.g. is split over locations in the municipalities of Feldkirchen bei Graz and Kalsdorf bei Graz, but the buildings themselves are located only in the former, and that's where all note entries go, as you can only get notes there. I imagine it may be similar with other airports.

[BaliBennie]

In Eurobilltracker we have decided that all Airports worldwide which have international flights should have it's own profile.
Airport profiles should not be merged into the Cities where they are located.

All profiles are called "Cities". The citymanager has no option to change the title City into Airport or Village.

BaliBennie
City Manager Admin

[R/J]

In Eurobilltracker we have decided that all Airports worldwide which have international flights should have it's own profile.
Airport profiles should not be merged into the Cities where they are located.

I had indeed read a message like this somewhere on the forum before.

One question remains (maybe this isn't really the place to ask is): What about the names of these profiles? A quick search gives 8 profiles starting with "Flughafen", so fully German-language airports, but the profile name for Helsinki-Vantaa airport is a bit ugly, if I may say so. Is there and will there be a common EBT policy or is this left to the city managers of the country in question?

[BaliBennie]

There is no real guideline for naming the airport profiles.

I prefer the original name of the airport. I always go to the airport website to find the official name of the airport.

When the name is in a language that many people understand I would use that name.
An example: Flughafen Köln/Bonn is internationally known as Cologne/Bonn Airport. In this case I prefer the german name.


But when the name is hard to understand an english name is preferred.
Example: Sân bay Quốc tế Tân Sơn Nhất is in EBT City Manager Tân Sơn Nhất International Airport.

[dserrano5]

According to the english wikipedia it's located in 4 cities: Madrid, Alcobendas, San Sebastián de los Reyes and Paracuellos de Jarama. The Spanish wikipedia says so too. I've never been there, so I based my posting on these sources.

Ah, but is that the airport building(s), where you can get bills, or the whole airport including runways?

Two of the runways enter Alcobendas, and the far end of one of them touches San Sebastián. The involvement of Paracuellos seems incidental to me. All buildings lie into Madrid, with a zip code belonging to Madrid according to Correos, the spanish postal service.

Thank you BaliBennie for the clarification.

[ravestorm]

In Eurobilltracker we have decided that all Airports worldwide which have international flights should have it's own profile.

As Citymanager i don't know anything about this decision.
I've always found this kind of traking method on the system and i thought it was better to leave things as they were althought i don't like it.

[jonman]

In Eurobilltracker we have decided that all Airports worldwide which have international flights should have it's own profile.
Airport profiles should not be merged into the Cities where they are located.

All profiles are called "Cities". The citymanager has no option to change the title City into Airport or Village.

BaliBennie
City Manager Admin

yes, thank your for the clarification, so now i understand why it is so. googlejaps, you are right, i haven't considered that the policies of the city profiles are different in different countries and i can understand why it would be strange if an airport in the netherlands didn't have its own city profile. as there is no question about this matter already for some time, i don't know whether we want to continue discussing it, but maybe one could argue that the decision of whether or not airports should have their own city profiles should depend on the "city profile policy" of the country in question. in my opinion it seems strange that airports have their own city profiles in germany as much as it seems strange if they didn't have one in the netherlands or belgium. and maybe spain is the same as germany, if i understood dserrano5 correctly.
users could still be allowed to enter the airport as location and the bills would be allocated to the associated city profile and the dot would be correctly "on" the airport. of course in some cases that would request a definition of the municipality belonging to an airport, e.g. graz or madrid, and when the buildings are split between two municipalities one could look at the distribution (i.e. which municipality has a bigger part of the buildings).

[Phaseolus]

This bill was found in the Autogrill of Motorway A14 :http://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=94249083

The dot is indicated as the city of Castel San Pietro Terme, which is currently located in the dot south of the real position of the Autogril and the casello dell'Autostrada.

So there should be a way for repositionning the bills found under postcode 40024.

[rlaurenssen]

So there should be a way for repositionning the bills found under postcode 40024.

I have given your location coordinates for the auto grill, you where the only one who entered notes in this location.
(Keep in mind that every different kind of spelling, even capitals and different postal codes, has it's own location in EBT)
So this means that Castel san pietro terme and Castel San Pietro Terme are 2 separate locations in EBT, which are merged
into one city profile. This is making it very difficult to give the correct coordinates for each unique location.

In your case it means that it could make a difference of a new dot or not, since the dot line is crossing this particular village.
As for the city profiles for international airports, I agree that it deserves it's own city profile. However for auto grills and gas stations along the motorway, I do not agree for a own city profile. It should be sufficient to use the correct city/town, it would be very difficult for city profilers to determine if it's a auto grill or just the village itself, since we can not see the note reports from a particular location just the location, the number of bills and users which are connected to the location.