Please Moderate / Unmoderate this Hit

[Jackgaillard]

Is there an appeal procedure against arbitrary decision of a moderator?
I woulld like to recover this hit:
https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=104635381" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

why don't you try support http://fr.eurobilltracker.com/my_support/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Turbo_Tim as support team member could help you
Jack

[an-148]

thanks

[Phaseolus]

Dear an-148

I am discovering your multiple postings on this thread and other parts of the forum. Please let me congratulate you for the energy spent in defending a one-day hit occuring during an EBT-meeting. It is indeed impressive to read the repeated offensive terms used whilst in fact your hit is purely uninteresting and does not respect a very well-known rule on EBT that meeting hits, whatever they are, are not interesting, and therefore should be moderated.

The fact that other hits by other users are not moderated (and indeed this list can be very long), does not make your hit more or less interesting.

The fact that I am writing this note and that I try to explain (calmly...) that your hit is not interesting, does not make me guilty of any crime.

They are many other hit moderators and they are acting separately. I have no control about the actions taken by these hit moderators. If this system does seem unappropriate to you, please complain at the site administrators, maybe refer to the persons in charge of the Association for EuroBilltrackers, but, again, stop assaulting my person for this problem.

The fact that some other hits have been moderated within your 2000 hits are not from any of my responsibility. I had quite a busy week that kept me away from EBT and my family. Obviously, you don't seem to be aware that people have a life outside of EBT and that your little "one-day Meeting hit" problem is compared to other issues quite "uninteresting". Indeed, I have other priorities than going through your list of rather uninteresting hits.

The fact that I do apply some rules as a hit moderator does not make me a person that you can openly and repeatedly insult or that you can feel free to flood the forum with injustified insinuations related to my person. Again if you blame the system, there are other ways for expressing your voice.

Finally, it is not because you are flooding the forum that your one-day meeting hit will be unmoderated. This would just indicate to any other hot-blooded angry moderated player that just flooding the forum helps to get their uninteresting hits back.

I might be even more busy in the next coming days, so, no need to add more on this issue. If it would be, I would like to invite the other forum moderators to act in order to implement some basic rules of the netetiquette of the EBT-forum related to unappropriate behaviours on the forum.

[an-148]

this hit has been unmoderated following my request via the "support-team" by an impartial moderator
it's again moderated

now, this hit is interresting:
- both users brought the proof in sufficience that it is not a meeting hit
- the circumstances of this hit are excluding it from the rules you refer to
- both users are well-known for their integrity and if they made this request it's because they consider it's a fortuit hit (both users have in the past asked for moderation of hits that the system didn't consider as moderable)
- both users consider your "ukases" as untolerable abuse of power (give a uniform to somebody and look for consequences !!!!!)

and, yes I would like to complain about your behaviour and don't know another place than the forum !!

[an-148]

please can you moderate one of those 2 hits:
https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=103782648" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=103782649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[googlejaps]

and, yes I would like to complain about your behaviour and don't know another place than the forum !!

an-148

All regular visitors of the forum have now seen that you are upset because a hit is moderated. I recognize this behavior in a case that you have a feeling that injustice has occurred. I understand that you need to have a place where you can share your feelings (although I don't think that your actions are helping you in achieving the goal you are aiming for). And maybe your emotions make it harder for you to get the message from the post of Phaseolus, so I will try to summarize:
Please stop attacking Phaseolus as a person. Stop being insulting to him because he did what any other hit moderator could have done, he only applied the rules. If you think the rules are unfair/multi-interpretable/wrong, contact the right people that might be able to see if the rules are indeed unfair and need to be changed.

[an-148]

the rules are the rules and are for everybody the same !
the abovementionned hit is proven not to be concerned by the rules (if not I wouldn't be asking for unmoderation, logical!) so it's simply logical to unmoderate it

[jonman]

i can really understand that personal insults are being rejected. so thanks for reminding everybody, googlejaps
in my opinion the forum is one of the places phaseolus mentioned where we (the users) should voice our concerns if we either find the system unappropriate or (in this case) its interpretation. this is how i see it:
someone spent a note somewhere and someone else got it as change at the same place one day later. nothing of this has to do with the fact that there was an ebt-meeting at the same place at the same time, because (1.) none of these people knew of the other’s doings/intentions and (2.) if the meeting had not taken place both of them would have encoded that note in the same way. (as every tracker always has to be somewhere you can’t blame people for the place where they are. similar hits between users who live in very close proximity are not considered to be less interesting just because they lived so close and therefore special circumstances had to be considered.)
the only thing that makes this hit “seem” less interesting is the little time span in-between (what was derogatorily named “one-day hit” by phaseolus) and that the note didn’t cover any distance. but there already is a border about how little the time distance has to be so that the hit becomes too uninteresting not to be moderated: this is 0 days.
the hit in question is no more uninteresting (and no more worth of being moderated) than any other hit with only one-day interval and maybe even 0 km.

at last i want to say something about how i feel in this forum in general. i have to say that i really appreciate that people spend so much time making our hobby work for us and pulling the strings somewhere behind the scenes. i know that everybody has far more important things going on outside of ebt, even the ones who seem so important to us. but i think some of the time would be better spent following the forum and answering questions or just giving any reaction at all. very often i feel like nobody is out there who wants me to understand things and tries to communicate and sometimes i feel like being especially honored when somebody “from higher ranks” of ebt writes a message to everybody, which is not really what enhances the idea of participation.
(please note, that there are many administrators and others who are already doing a good job communicating with the forum. but unfortunately not all of them seem to do.)

[roberdy]

Great! I suspect we can expect a long discussion about a really LARGE number of similar other obvious meeting hits, which shall be "interesting"...

[an-148]

I don't want to speak about the hit here: it has been valid, moderared, un-moderated, re-moderated ..... maybe the story is finished, maybe not !

I would like to clear my position about "attacks on the person", injuries, ....

Saying that somebody is not honest in his function as moderator is not a injury.
Attack: yes,of course, but not at all on the person that I don't know ; on his misuse of power as a moderator, yes !

(Those who follow regularly the french speaking forum will know what about I'm speaking here after)
Would a hit of mine be moderated by any other moderator explaining that this hit, although not being expressly exluded by the rules, has to be moderated because it can be assimilated to a moderable hit, I would not like, but maybe accept, or trying to have at least a little discussion about it.
But here the case is different and I cannot accept to see Phaseolus telling ex cathedra : "the rule is the rule", when :
- he moderates hits of a german user that dropped bills in a Press shop described (only in the french speaking forum, not supposed to be read by a german) as a place to avoid because a wellknown local user gets a big part of his bills from that shop (so far, OK, not OK: discussion is open). Regarding that moderation, he writes on the french speakinf forum that he expressly consider dropping bills there as a forced hit (so far, OK, all can agree with this). Could be end of story! ........ but, no, it's not end of story: passing in the region, Phaseolus leaves the highway, drives to La Calamine and spend money in that Pressop and....has a passive hit one day later (https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=95359345" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) ............. not moderated by himself (not OK at all !)
- he goes on holidays close to the Swiss border (https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/ ... city=16045" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;), at the same place as his father, also EBTer, he drops a bundle of bills from Switserland in the local postoffice (so far, OK). His father gets the bills in that postoffice (so far, OK , not OK: discussion is open). His father enters the bills step by step, day after day and they have a lot of hits together (not OK at all for the days after the first one, everybody will agree). Only under heavy pressure of other users on the french forum, he decided to moderate the artificial hits (not OK at all)

........... and somebody like this has the power to tell to me "the rules are the rules" ... sorry to be upset, but I cannot accept it!

[bren_nmgn]

@an-148:

there's nothing wrong with a little discussion, but you're turning it into a personal verdetta and for me that's taking it a step too far......

I really feel these personal attacks against Phaseo have to stop now!
as I'm not the only one who feels this way, you have been told by several of us by now.
if you really feel that disgruntled, take it up the food chain, but stop these insults!
maybe you have to read the section concerning Netiquette again, but judging from your posts in the last couple of days, you have never read it all.

so do us all a favor, keep the forum nice, neat and respectfull, or use PM!

[an-148]

did you read my post, I only explain why I reacted heavily and that it is not direted to the person? now I'll stop, I explained everything I had to explain.

[-flop-]

I really feel these personal attacks against Phaseo have to stop now!

Maybe I have lost something but I really didn't read any "personal" attack.

All the concerns, as far as I read, were not addressed to Phaseolus as a person but always to him as an EBT moderator and as an EBT user, so I think the EBT Forum was exactly the right place where those concerns had to be done.

This for the method used.

As far as the specific matter is concerned I agree with every single word of an-148.

[bren_nmgn]

than maybe we have a different definition of 'personal'.....

still I think that this discussion has been going on to long. (there's some posts in the Suspicious topic as well)
if an-148 really thinks Phaseolus is not fit to be a moderator, I think he should take it up the food chain like I said.

[Dawizz]

Can the cleaning crew see if this hit is real http://pt.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=104862924" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; the first user got a visit from the cleaning ladies back in 2006 and got 14,509 of his/her 17,706 notes into the washer. Besides Germany didn't produce X-R back in 2006 or did they?