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Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:05 pm**

knospe wrote:Afsnee (ID 960), Drongen (ID 22748), Gentbrugge (ID 31124), Ledeberg (ID 53678), Mariakerke (ID 58619) (only with zip codes 9000 and 9030), Mariakerke (gent) (ID 58620), Mariakerke gent (ID 58624), Mariakerke(gent) (ID 58626), Mariakerke/gent (ID 58628), Mendonk (ID 60713), Gent (oostakker) (ID 31121), Oostakker (ID 71377), Sint-Amandsberg (ID 92248), Sint-Denijs-Westrem (ID 92260), Sint-Kruis-Winkel (ID 92309), Wondelgem (ID 115853), Zwijnaarde (ID 117657) :arrow: Gent (ID 31118) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gent

Koolkerke (ID 49073), Sint-Andries (ID 92249), Sint-Michiels (ID 92346), Assebroek (ID 4795), Sint-Kruis-Brugge (ID 92308), Dudzele (ID 22882), Lissewege (ID 55660), Zeebrugge (ID 116740) :arrow: Brugge (ID 14107) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%BCgge#Stadtteile

Berchem (Antwerpen) (ID 9227), Borgerhout (ID 12149), Deurne (ID 21135), Ekeren (ID 24414), Hoboken (ID 40409), Merksem (ID 60876), Wilrijk (ID 114853), Awilrijk (ID 5706) :arrow: Antwerpen (ID 3827) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antwerpen

Wilsele (ID 114860), Heverlee (ID 39828), Delhaize kessel lo (ID 20750), Kessel-Lo (ID 46515), Wijgmaal (ID 114627) :arrow: Leuven (ID 54700) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6wen ... ische_Lage

Mariakerke (oostende) (ID 58621), Mariakerke - oostende (ID 58622), Mariakerke / oostende (ID 58623), Mariakerke oostende (ID 58625), Mariakerke(oostende) (ID 58627), Mariakerke/oostende (ID 58629), Voorhaven (ID 137408), Zandvoorde (ID 116595) (only the ones with zip code 8400), Raversijde (ID 127650) :arrow: Oostende (ID 71387) http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oostende#Ligging

Haren (ID 119504), Laken / Laeken (ID 51695), Neder-Over-Hembeek (Bruxelles) (ID 65038), :arrow: Bruxelles (ID 14242) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%BCss ... gliederung

Nossegem (ID 68694), Sint-Stevens-Woluwe (ID 92367), Sterrebeek (ID 101785) :arrow: Zaventem (ID 116662) http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaventem_( ... ige_kernen

Kermt (ID 46447), Kuringen (ID 50369), Sint-Lambrechts-Herk (ID 92312), Spalbeek (ID 93260), Stevoort (ID 101860), Stokrooie (ID 125013), Wimmertingen (ID 114907), Tuilt (Kuringen) (ID 144451), Kiewit (ID 46703), Onze-Lieve-Vrouw van Banneux (ID 137577), Godsheide (ID 32140), Rapertingen (ID 78165), Runkst (ID 82526) :arrow: Hasselt (ID 37083) http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasselt_(B ... AB)#Kernen

Don't merge them, keep them apart. Thanks

Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:30 pm**

knospe wrote:Afsnee ... Kernen

For god's sake, what's the use of these posts?
What's the most important for EBT: enter notes at the correct place you've received them so the note data is correct .. or enter them at some theoretical, bureaucratical place so the note data gets inaccurate

?

Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:00 pm**

bhoeyb NLI wrote:
knospe wrote:Afsnee ... Kernen
For god's sake, what's the use of these posts?
What's the most important for EBT: enter notes at the correct place you've received them so the note data is correct .. or enter them at some theoretical, bureaucratical place so the note data gets inaccurate ?

That is what's done in most other countries, too.
Look at Leinefeld-Worbis, which is combined allthough these were too diffrent cities just some years ago.

As reminder a part from page 67:

Dakkus wrote:
Mr Euro wrote:
Ord€p wrote:
knospe wrote:While you are at it: 1708 Alcântara, 15796 Campo Grande, 122965 Carnide, 17512 Charneca, 141627 Encarnação, 57126 Lumiar, 126864 Santa Catarina, 87950 São domingos de benfica, 18898 São Mamede and 87996 São Vicente de Fora belong to Lisboa, too. Please merge.

Ord€p wrote:Please merge:
Belém Lisboa
Benfica Lisboa
Marvila Lisboa
As you can see here and here these "cities" are "parishes" in Lisboa. Please merge all of them to Lisboa.
If they have a seperate zipcode, they should not be merged
So, are you suggesting that 10117 Berlin should be separated from 10997 Kreuzberg?

Ban all users entering from 75017 Paris instead of 75017 17ème Arrondissement?

I have the feeling you don't get what "merge" in EBT terms really means. It doesn't mean put the same zip code everywhere and it doesn't mean all places in one profile have the same coordinates.

knospe wrote: Godsheide (ID 32140), Rapertingen (ID 78165), Runkst (ID 82526) Arrow Hasselt (ID 37083)

You really wanna tell me this profiles, which acording to nl.WP are parts of inner-Hasselt don't belong to Hasselt?

If so, than lets break all other cities apart too.

bhoeyb NLI wrote:What's the most important for EBT: enter notes at the correct place you've received them so the note data is correct

Please keep entering notes with "XXXX Rapertingen", I don't care. But for all stats they should be counted for Hasselt. And that's exaktly what's done with bills entered in "70563 Vaihingen", too. They count for the profile of STUTTGART, because Vaihingen is a part of Stuttgart.

bhoeyb NLI wrote:... bureaucratical place so the note data gets inaccurate ?

the note data will NOT get inaccurate , because no bills entered in such a place will get/have diffrent coordinates if you merge the profiles together.
The diffrent coordinates will be as they are now.

like Brüssel has now already (all in one profile):

Brüssel (1130) 50.8917 4.4183
Brüssel (1150) 50.8244 4.4579
Brüssel (1170) 50.7955 4.4166
Brüssel (1180) 50.7905 4.3627
Brüssel (1831) 50.8818 4.4416
Brüssel (1930) 50.8833 4.4667
Brüssel (1933) 50.8669 4.4769

What is one city should be one city in EBT, too. This has NOTHING to do with note data getting inaccurate, useless, or whatever. Even two bills entered with the same city can have diffrent coordinates, let alone bill entered with "city parts" like Wien-Donaustadt have other coordinates as Wien. Nonetheless they where entered in Wien, and belong to the same profile. This makes sence for all the stats at EBT.

Think about it.

Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:14 pm**

City hitratio's get messed up.

Godsheide (ID 32140), Rapertingen (ID 78165), Runkst (ID 82526) are part of Hasselt (ID 37083) BUT they are seperate communities, they should stay separate.

About Brussels I don't want to discuss. It's a very difficult political discussion. Leave them as they are.

BTW I suggest that belgians decide what to do with their cities, like fins do about finland and germans about Germany,... I do know it's not european thinking, but political seen they know the best what should be done.

Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:49 pm**

knospe wrote:... Think about it.

As a dot coordinator, I do think about it ... see quote Mr Euro.
But, I'm still wondering why so much time is spend on that theoretical merge of city profiles. Merging different profiles from the same city must be done ... but merging separate communities into 1 city just because someone behind a desk dicided years ago: "from today community X becomes part of city Y" ... nah!

Mr Euro wrote:BTW I suggest that belgians decide what to do with their cities, like fins do about finland and germans about Germany,... I do know it's not european thinking, but political seen they know the best what should be done.

I agree with Mr Euro.

Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:04 pm**

Any suggestions for Quarte[sic]Bras?

Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:22 pm**

Crazy Bob wrote:Any suggestions for Quarte[sic]Bras?

Unlike Quatrebras (Friesland) there isn't any sign of Quatre-Bras (Gelderland). It's also not easy to merge it with any other village, because it's on the border of Gorssel and Eefde.

Best thing just leave it like it is.......it's only 1 user and 7 notes

EDIT : while typing this post the cityprofile #77383 dissappeared...... well, did it went to Gorssel or Eefde ??

EDIT 2 : It could have been merged with Quatre Bras (Gelderland) - the few houses meant above

Posted: **Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:18 pm**

Mr Euro wrote:BTW I suggest that belgians decide what to do with their cities, like fins do about finland and germans about Germany,... I do know it's not european thinking, but political seen they know the best what should be done.

Thank god you don't question what Portuguese say about Portugal. 'Cause, as you said, that would be wrong.

Mr Euro wrote:
Ord€p wrote:
knospe wrote:While you are at it: 1708 Alcântara, 15796 Campo Grande, 122965 Carnide, 17512 Charneca, 141627 Encarnação, 57126 Lumiar, 126864 Santa Catarina, 87950 São domingos de benfica, 18898 São Mamede and 87996 São Vicente de Fora belong to Lisboa, too. Please merge.

Ord€p wrote:Please merge:
Belém Lisboa
Benfica Lisboa
Marvila Lisboa
As you can see here and here these "cities" are "parishes" in Lisboa. Please merge all of them to Lisboa.
If they have a seperate zipcode, they should not be merged

bhoeyb NLI wrote:Merging different profiles from the same city must be done ...

Then at least do that.

knospe wrote:Mariakerke (ID 58619) (only with zip codes 9000 and 9030), Mariakerke (gent) (ID 58620), Mariakerke gent (ID 58624), Mariakerke(gent) (ID 58626), Mariakerke/gent (ID 58628)

knospe wrote:Gent (oostakker) (ID 31121), Oostakker (ID 71377)

knospe wrote:Mariakerke (oostende) (ID 58621), Mariakerke - oostende (ID 58622), Mariakerke / oostende (ID 58623), Mariakerke oostende (ID 58625), Mariakerke(oostende) (ID 58627), Mariakerke/oostende (ID 58629)

new:

Fra (ID 146300)

Mörfelden-Walldorf
München-Neuhausen (ID 146299)

München
Kt Andreasberg (ID 146293)

Sankt Andreasberg (ID 86552)
Frankfurt am Main Hoechst (ID 146284), Frankfurt am Main Sued (ID 146283):

Frankfurt am Main
Frankfurt/Main-Flughafen (ID 146285)

Flughafen Frankfurt am Main (ID 28668)
Frankfurt (ID 146281)

Unknown City

Posted: **Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:22 am**

knospe wrote: As reminder a part from page 67:
Dakkus wrote:
Mr Euro wrote:
Ord€p wrote:
knospe wrote:While you are at it: 1708 Alcântara, 15796 Campo Grande, 122965 Carnide, 17512 Charneca, 141627 Encarnação, 57126 Lumiar, 126864 Santa Catarina, 87950 São domingos de benfica, 18898 São Mamede and 87996 São Vicente de Fora belong to Lisboa, too. Please merge.

Ord€p wrote:Please merge:
Belém Lisboa
Benfica Lisboa
Marvila Lisboa
As you can see here and here these "cities" are "parishes" in Lisboa. Please merge all of them to Lisboa.
If they have a seperate zipcode, they should not be merged
So, are you suggesting that 10117 Berlin should be separated from 10997 Kreuzberg?

Ban all users entering from 75017 Paris instead of 75017 17ème Arrondissement?
I have the feeling you don't get what "merge" in EBT terms really means. It doesn't mean put the same zip code everywhere and it doesn't mean all places in one profile have the same coordinates.

I think it is absolutely ridiculous that no-one had the guts to merge these city districts into Lissabon (as requested by Portuguese users, mind you!!) just because a Belgian said don't do it. This is becoming more and more like the funny farm.

Posted: **Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:12 am**

Gauss wrote:On Sep 26, 2006, the system of locations and city profiles undergone major re-organisation. The new system is explained here (part 1) and here (part2).

I suggest everybody reads the mentioned articles, before posting anything in here.

It is designed to merge profiles which are the same NOT to merge locations that should be together because users think that they should be together.

This is a good example of what should be posted:

Mariakerke (ID 58619) (only with zip codes 9000 and 9030), Mariakerke (gent) (ID 58620), Mariakerke gent (ID 58624), Mariakerke(gent) (ID 58626), Mariakerke/gent (ID 58628)

Posted: **Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:26 pm**

And while it may often be obvious to a user that 'Bamberg, 96047 Germany' and 'Bamberg-Downtown, 96047 Germany' most likely refer to the same city (and thus should be grouped as one single entry), the system cannot tell and would create a new parent city for the downtown location.

This is where our team of plotters and city admins comes into play, they manually fix this mess (admins) and assign coordinates to locations (plotters). Fortunately the effort will converge to zero over time (as our city database contains more and more useful information and is structured better and better), but for now this requires a lot of time and work.

This is exactly what should happen to the Lissabon city districts above, except for the fact that they are not called Lissabon-Benfica but only Benfica. So what's your point?

Gauss wrote on page 1 of this thread:

If you observe that

1) there are two city profiles for the same city

which applies to this case, as districts of a larger city have a profile of their own. (one city, two profiles)

Posted: **Mon Jul 28, 2008 3:33 pm**

helloggs wrote:
And while it may often be obvious to a user that 'Bamberg, 96047 Germany' and 'Bamberg-Downtown, 96047 Germany' most likely refer to the same city (and thus should be grouped as one single entry), the system cannot tell and would create a new parent city for the downtown location.

This is where our team of plotters and city admins comes into play, they manually fix this mess (admins) and assign coordinates to locations (plotters). Fortunately the effort will converge to zero over time (as our city database contains more and more useful information and is structured better and better), but for now this requires a lot of time and work.
This is exactly what should happen to the Lissabon city districts above, except for the fact that they are not called Lissabon-Benfica but only Benfica. So what's your point?

Benfica is a part of Lissabon, but it is a parish of Lissabon. What's the point of merging parts of cities in bigger cities? Otherwise we can merge all cities to one. Because we are all part of the European Community.

The point of this thread is to merge cities that are exactly the same, "not a part of"

Example Bamberg (Big B), bamberg (Small b), Bambergh (with h), Bambergen (Dutch version of Bamberg). All merged to Bamberg

Posted: **Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:11 pm**

Mr Euro wrote:Benfica is a part of Lissabon, but it is a parish of Lissabon. What's the point of merging parts of cities in bigger cities? Otherwise we can merge all cities to one. Because we are all part of the European Community.

The point of this thread is to merge cities that are exactly the same, "not a part of"

Benfica is a part of Lissabon just like Chueca is a part of Madrid, Raval is a part of Barcelona, Opera is a part of Paris, Chelsea is a part of London, Mitte is a part of Berlin, and so on...

Benfica is in Lissabon just like the others examples. They should be merged with Lissabon.

Posted: **Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:17 pm**

Ord€p wrote:
Mr Euro wrote:Benfica is a part of Lissabon, but it is a parish of Lissabon. What's the point of merging parts of cities in bigger cities? Otherwise we can merge all cities to one. Because we are all part of the European Community.

The point of this thread is to merge cities that are exactly the same, "not a part of"
Benfica is a part of Lissabon just like Chueca is a part of Madrid, Raval is a part of Barcelona, Opera is a part of Paris, Chelsea is a part of London, Mitte is a part of Berlin, and so on...

Benfica is in Lissabon just like the others examples. They should be merged with Lissabon.

If you don't read my answers completly, it has no point to discuss any further.

"A part of" is not the same as "exactly the same" see my example of Bamberg above

Posted: **Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:01 pm**

Mr Euro wrote:If they have a seperate zipcode, they should not be merged

Mr Euro wrote:If you don't read my answers completly, it has no point to discuss any further.

"A part of" is not the same as "exactly the same" see my example of Bamberg above

i've red your answer completely. What i'm trying to say is that you don't agree that Benfica (and others) shouldn't be merged just because they have separate zipcode. They have separate zipcode but the zipcodes are for example, for Benfica (1500-092 Lisboa), for Belém (1300-083 Lisboa) and for Marvila (1950-196 Lisboa). As you can see in these previous examples, they are all Lissabon.

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