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Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:46 pm
by nossi
-flop- wrote:
nossi wrote:
Crazy Bob wrote:beaweb and Daina Gaida seem to exchange bills:
http://nl.eurobilltracker.com/profile/? ... ser=129825" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Three hits between them, on a total (for Daina Gaida) of four.
What is suspicious with that? Every year one hit and beaweb ist a powertracker...
Well, there are several aspects of this hitlist that appear really unlikely (let me avoid the word "suspicious").

A couple of examples:

1) Three hits of Daina Gaida upon a total of four involve the same user and this is not a user living nearby but more 800 km far. Maybe there is an explanation for this but until this will not be displayed the event is at least "strange".

2) Daina Gaina has tracked 217 notes and only four of them have become hits. Beaweb found no one of the 213 "normal notes" but two of the four hits. I don't know the reason of it but you have to admit the this is a quite unlikely event.

These are just probability considerations. Nothing more.
The comment of beaweb says, that she found this bills in a bundle of the bank of spain. Do you really think, Daina could insert her note in this bundle? And I have no doubt that the comment of beaweb is correct. She never faked any note!

It is not uncommon, that a user found a note from us and in the next day we found a note from him and this was the last hit with him for the next 6 month. You should study statistics and you will see, that such things are normal.

The first hit is a pure Berlin-hit and I can not see any strange thing with it. And the same with the next 2 hits. And beaweb found the last note after more then 4 (!) years. Much work to construct only one hit. And at least Diana insert her last note one year ago. Do you really think that is typically for fakers?

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:27 pm
by an-148
I don't mind if users are trying to help the cleaning ladies (I do it too!), but we should think twice before posting remarks about fully normal hits !!!
first, it helps nobody and disturbs the cleaning ladies
second, indirectly, you are putting suspicion on users who don't deserve it and this is very unpleasant, IMHO !

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:42 pm
by groentje
I have to disagree with you, there. Although I share your belief beaweb has nothing to be scared about, at first sight, it is rather suspicious. And thus, no problem mentioning it here.

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 5:55 pm
by Dominic38
an-148 wrote:first, it helps nobody and disturbs the cleaning ladies
second, indirectly, you are putting suspicion on users who don't deserve it and this is very unpleasant, IMHO !
Like this true?
Fflam and MorgenSchatten slammed on suspicious as suspects without explanation and without answers from the accuser.
But I don't remember your posts in their defense that day.

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:23 pm
by an-148
Dominic38 wrote:
an-148 wrote:first, it helps nobody and disturbs the cleaning ladies
second, indirectly, you are putting suspicion on users who don't deserve it and this is very unpleasant, IMHO !
Like this true?
Fflam and MorgenSchatten slammed on suspicious as suspects without explanation and without answers from the accuser.
But I don't remember your posts in their defense that day.
I would have done ( same island, regional bills, where is the problem?) ! but, sorry for not being on internet 24 hours a day :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:01 pm
by -flop-
nossi wrote:
It is not uncommon, that a user found a note from us and in the next day we found a note from him and this was the last hit with him for the next 6 month. You should study statistics and you will see, that such things are normal.
First) I studied statistics at university and I have some years of experience on EBT so that I think I have some ability to distinguish normal thimgs from unlikely things. This personal attack is quite unfair and I think it would have been better for you to avoid it.
Anyway let's go on.

Second) Finding a note from a user living 800 km far and later having a passive hit with the same user with no other hits in the meantime is something that statistics says that can happen but it's not common nor normal.


The first hit is a pure Berlin-hit and I can not see any strange thing with it. And the same with the next 2 hits. And beaweb found the last note after more then 4 (!) years. Much work to construct only one hit. And at least Diana insert her last note one year ago. Do you really think that is typically for fakers?
Third) Everyone of these hits considered separately has nothing strange, but statistics (I don't remember if I said before, but I studied statistics in the past) says that this is not always the correct way to approach data.
Giving a global sight to the hitlist of Daina Gaida can stimulate the couple of remarks I made in my first post and that I'm going to copy here below:

1) Three hits of Daina Gaida upon a total of four involve the same user and this is not a user living nearby but more 800 km far. Maybe there is an explanation for this but until this will not be displayed the event is at least "strange".

2) Daina Gaina has tracked 217 notes and only four of them have become hits. Beaweb found no one of the 213 "normal notes" but two of the four hits. I don't know the reason of it but you have to admit the this is a quite unlikely event.


Have you any argument regarding these remarks? Particularly, do you think that the point 2) is something common or normal?


Fourth) I never mentioned the word "faker" and I am not giving any judgement about users. I am simply doing some statistical remarks because (I don't know if I said it) I studied statistics some years ago.

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:25 pm
by Ashido44
Hit in a serie:

2013-07-07 19:55:12 5 EUR Uxxxx6960xxx Lxxxxx Hasselt ( Flag for Belgien Belgien, 3500)
2013-07-07 19:55:12 5 EUR Uxxxx6960xxx Lxxxxx Hasselt ( Flag for Belgien Belgien, 3500)
2013-07-07 19:55:12 5 EUR Uxxxx6960xxx Lxxxxx Hasselt ( Flag for Belgien Belgien, 3500)
2013-07-07 19:55:12 5 EUR Uxxxx6960xxx (*) Lxxxxx Hasselt ( Flag for Belgien Belgien, 3500)
2013-07-07 19:55:12 5 EUR Uxxxx6960xxx Lxxxxx Hasselt ( Flag for Belgien Belgien, 3500)
2013-07-07 19:55:12 5 EUR Uxxxx6960xxx Lxxxxx Hasselt ( Flag for Belgien Belgien, 3500)


Users: maarsy & marieke555

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:12 pm
by ErGo
Pepin (94836): 394 notes deleted
leeronny (184731): 1 note

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:37 pm
by kayhh
nossi hat geschrieben:

Crazy Bob hat geschrieben:beaweb and Daina Gaida seem to exchange bills:
http://nl.eurobilltracker.com/profile/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;? ... ser=129825
Three hits between them, on a total (for Daina Gaida) of four.


What is suspicious with that? Every year one hit and beaweb ist a powertracker...
Might it be possible that Daina Gaida is a flight attendant and is often on the route Berlin Tegel to Riga? Than the hit note is not suspicious but maybe the location Riga. It is easy to get a hit with beaweb in Berlin. Even beaweb and me have 101 hits between her hometown and mine (Hamburg).
Thank you Beaweb, we even do not celebrate our jubilee :lol:
Greetings
kayhh

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:44 pm
by nossi
kayhh wrote:
nossi hat geschrieben:

Crazy Bob hat geschrieben:beaweb and Daina Gaida seem to exchange bills:
http://nl.eurobilltracker.com/profile/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;? ... ser=129825
Three hits between them, on a total (for Daina Gaida) of four.


What is suspicious with that? Every year one hit and beaweb ist a powertracker...
Might it be possible that Daina Gaida is a flight attendant and is often on the route Berlin Tegel to Riga? Than the hit note is not suspicious but maybe the location Riga. It is easy to get a hit with beaweb in Berlin. Even beaweb and me have 101 hits between her hometown and mine (Hamburg).
Thank you Beaweb, we even do not celebrate our jubilee :lol:
Greetings
kayhh

Or she got the notes from a flight attendant (see the comments)

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:21 pm
by erasmuston
testing the system? Dutch quintuple involving five users with very few bills entered

https://nl.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=127504661" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

wrsfeasjf 2013-07-09 13:28:05 Zeewolde 1234AB
dameblanche 2011-04-21 22:26:55 Odoorn 7873AS
Afstand = 105 km, tijdsverschil = 809 dagen
De Vliegende Vlerken 2009-09-24 11:58:15 Almere 1338TH test
Afstand = 117 km, tijdsverschil = 574 dagen
Mechel 99 2007-01-01 18:10:59 Utrecht 3561
Afstand = 32 km, tijdsverschil = 996 dagen
rony2 2005-07-14 11:05:28 Amsterdam ??????
Afstand = 32 km, tijdsverschil = 536 dagen

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:48 pm
by ErGo
Ashido44 wrote:Hit in a serie:
[...]
Users: maarsy & marieke555
marieke555 (180972): 64 notes deleted
klaartje14 (180967): 78 notes
Friday13 (184793): 78 notes

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 8:51 am
by an-148
misuse of location (like tram-love some times ago !!):
https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=127596180" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
user: shogal: https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?user=40066" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:17 am
by opalon
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 04:08:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)
2013-07-14 03:52:38 20 EURXxxxx3415xxx Pxxxxx Nivelles ( Flag for Belgique Belgique, 1400)

user : serge1400

Re: Suspicious notes and users

Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:13 am
by an-148
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