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ErGo wrote:This Newark with Zip-Code 94560 is not on the East-Coast of the United States but a little town in California south east of San Francisco in the Bay area.
On Wikipedia under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark,_California there are the correct coordinates.

Thnx
I've changed the coordinates. Now the mods must build a new city "Newark, CA".
ravestorm wrote:this andthis notes should be located in province of Ferrara (zip 44040), Emilia Romagna region, not in Abruzzo region where actually they are.

Right coordinates (with Google Earth) :
44° 45' 52'' N
11° 39' 11'' E

Thanks for your work :wink:
Coordinates done. The city profil of Sant'Egidio (ID 87244) has to be cleaned.
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Here is another inaccuracy which I guess we still have mentioned: Although misleading, Mainz-Kastel belongs to Wiesbaden
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Hi all,

Bornheim in Germany (postcode 53332): The correct profile is probably "Bornheim (Rheinland)" (12275) and all other Bornheims with the above postcode should be integrated there. I found "Bornheim-Roisdorf" (12277) and "Bornheim-Merten" (12280) but there must be others (I've entered notes for them so I should know).

BTW, the city names used to be normalized when they were entered into the database (all lowercase except for the first letter). That does not seem to be the case any more - at least NIG now generates separate locations for "Bornheim-Roisdorf" and "Bornheim-roisdorf", which I hate, of course.

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I have mentioned Bornheim already on Oct. 13, 2006 and maybe nothing has been done yet. I can imagine moderators are quite busy.

There are postings from October to which nothing has been done so far (e.g. 85... München belongs to Flughafen München, There is an intl. Hit, please assign Monaco to Monaco) and there are others "Please rename city xy" upon you act within minutes. What are your priorities?
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and the dot for Newark, NJ is somewhere near Indianapolis, IN! please move it to the eastcoast of the US!
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Crazy Bob wrote:and the dot for Newark, NJ is somewhere near Indianapolis, IN! please move it to the eastcoast of the US!
This is because that hasn't been done yet.
magpie wrote: Now the mods must build a new city "Newark, CA".
...ans split the old city of Newark, NJ

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Münster b. dieburg (ID 60181) and Münster bei dieburg (ID 60182) are the same. They should be merged and named Münster bei Dieburg.

01445 Coswig is not part of the city Coswig b. Dresden (ID 19050). It belongs to Radebeul (ID 77727)
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This Note is apparently charged to the wrong Forst, the dot for the note is correctly plotted, but when I click on the city name in the note report, I get the other Forst.
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Please build a new city Durham, NC and move location Durham (27707) from city Durham, NH (ID 23127) to the newly built city.
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Please correct the following location :
Sovxx wrote:Salut,

J'ai rentré un billet à Vire (14500 en Basse Normandie).
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=24139261

Mais la ville est reconnue comme étant Viré (avec un accent) et dans le centre de la France. :(

Merci
it was posted on the French forum ; but I believe that you all understand French, no ? :wink:
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magpie wrote:I have mentioned Bornheim already on Oct. 13, 2006 and maybe nothing has been done yet.
That date was before a satisfactory way to respect local animosities which appear to be rather common in Germany. (Random examples, not meant personal: Leopoldshöhe-Asemissen vs. Leopoldshöhe vs. Asemissen etc., the presence of Mainz-Kastel at all in the location field).
The locations primarily contained in the city profile have been listed only since Oct 28. Work has been done in the case of Bornheim back then, as can be seen from the fact that, e.g., the profile of Bornheim-Merten has Merten in uppercase which certainly wasn't there after the automatic conversion. Things would be much easier if people would refrain from specifying city quarters.
magpie wrote:There are postings from October to which nothing has been done so far (e.g. 85... München belongs to Flughafen München
Some 85..., but not all.
magpie wrote:there is an intl. Hit, please assign Monaco to Monaco
Yes, yours. It is not usual practice to change entries of user X at request of user Y. The name "Monaco" designates - at least to my knowledge - several places, also outside the principality of that name. Thus it requires some research.
magpie wrote:and there are others "Please rename city xy" upon you act within minutes.
"Please rename" stuff is very low priority, especially if it is about uppercase/lowercase, or missing accents. The priority increases with the number of entries in that location. Besides, if all notes have been entered with one spelling which doesn't contain a major mistake, one could argue that there is no reason to change that version of the name in the profile title.
magpie wrote:What are your priorities?
As for myself, the academic studies I get paid for.
magpie wrote:01445 Coswig is not part of the city Coswig b. Dresden (ID 19050). It belongs to Radebeul (ID 77727)
01445 Coswig appears to be an error either way. 01445 belongs to Radebeul, yes. Coswig and Radebeul are neighbouring cities, but neither the homepage of Radebeul, nor Deutsche Post, nor the maps of Multimap or Maporama indicate that there exists a quarter of Radebeul also named Coswig. In doubt, the city name takes precedence over the postal code because, by experience, users are usually much more reliable when it comes to location names than when it comes to postal codes. Thus in this particular case it is the relatively most likely guess that the user who entered those eleven notes for 01445 Coswig actually meant 01640 Coswig.

I described this quite in detail to explain why things take time.
Phaseolus wrote:Please correct the following location :
Sovxx wrote:J'ai rentré un billet à Vire (14500 en Basse Normandie).
Mais la ville est reconnue comme étant Viré (avec un accent) et dans le centre de la France.
The software does its best to treat e and é as identical. This is necessary because plenty of people, in particular also many French users, omit accents. Incidentally, this post makes a wonderful example: In the case of 71260 Viré [sic] two notes were entered as 71260 Vire and the other three as 71410 Viré. (Phaseolus, you might answer that in that French thread, in order to promote proper use of accents.)
Now this is one of the very rare cases where there are indeed two locations whose names disagree only by one accent (and the postal code). I don't know any other such case, as of yet... Sorted.
tralla wrote:BTW, the city names used to be normalized when they were entered into the database (all lowercase except for the first letter). That does not seem to be the case any more - at least NIG now generates separate locations for "Bornheim-Roisdorf" and "Bornheim-roisdorf", which I hate, of course.
That's a problem of NIG, not of EBT.

EBT does not distinguish between uppercase and lowercase characters, nor between blanks and hyphens. If you find such things annoying please appeal to the author of NIG to upgrade her software in this direction. EBT does not have a convenient way of mass-renaming either (except if you ask Nerzhul or avij), so Support won't be able to change the "-roisdorf"s into "-Roisdorf"s. We are all happy that the very regrettable "normalization" (as you call it) to brutally convert everything to lowercase has finally been abolished. This should have happened much, much earlier, not only after some 20 million entries. Blame the one who was the first to implement it when the site went online.
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Gauss wrote:Things would be much easier if people would refrain from specifying city quarters.
That's what I prefer, too.
Gauss wrote:
magpie wrote:There are postings from October to which nothing has been done so far (e.g. 85... München belongs to Flughafen München
Some 85..., but not all.
magpie wrote:there is an intl. Hit, please assign Monaco to Monaco
Yes, yours. It is not usual practice to change entries of user X at request of user Y. The name "Monaco" designates - at least to my knowledge - several places, also outside the principality of that name. Thus it requires some research.
You're not quite right. My posting said
magpie wrote:http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=17583237

This^ is an international hit and the location Monaco is neither Monegasque (French Flag) nor is it subsumed under the city profile of the Monegasque Monaco.

Notes entered in 85356 München were found at the airport. Thus this location belongs to the München Flughafen city.
So 85356 is Munich Airport and some mod put it to Munich Airport today.
As you can see, the Monaco-Hit is not mine.
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magpie wrote: What are your priorities?

As for myself, the academic studies I get paid for.
I don't think that your sarcastic answers is very helpful. We all are volunteers. It also takes a lot of my time to look for errors.

I'm just asking - not you personally - have the mods any priorities. We all know that mods have a lot to do and I do not complain about things taking too much time. Is there a to-do-list or how do you (the mods) manage not to forget requests posted here?
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http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=24185129

ther is something wrong with the coordinates

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magpie wrote:
gauss wrote:
magpie wrote:there is an intl. Hit, please assign Monaco to Monaco
Yes, yours. It is not usual practice to change entries of user X at request of user Y. The name "Monaco" designates - at least to my knowledge - several places, also outside the principality of that name. Thus it requires some research.
You're not quite right. My posting said
magpie wrote:http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=17583237
This^ is an international hit and the location Monaco is neither Monegasque (French Flag) nor is it subsumed under the city profile of the Monegasque Monaco.
The latter has now been done, the location has been entered as "Monaco, France" and my sentence "It is not usual practice to change entries of user X at request of user Y" does literally apply for this. Possibly the webmaster decides to make an exception, but as far as I'm concerned, blame adjust11 for the fact that this not being counted as international hit. I was wrong in the sense that you were not user Y and confused this situation with a similar one several months back; I got aware of that one and did not act on it, for the reason quoted above.
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magpie wrote:What are your priorities?
As for myself, the academic studies I get paid for.
I don't think that your sarcastic answers is very helpful.
I was not being sarcastic, I was explaining why I, for one, am physically unable to do everything I'd like to do. Obviously I can speak only for myself.
magpie wrote:I'm just asking - not you personally - have the mods any priorities. We all know that mods have a lot to do and I do not complain about things taking too much time. Is there a to-do-list or how do you (the mods) manage not to forget requests posted here?
I personally pretty much gave the answer - I have none in particular as far as it comes to this thread - but I'm not alone. However, it appears that I'm for the moment the only one to respond. It appears that there is no written to-do-list and it appears that some requests occasionally fall into temporary oblivion.

In some cases this is due to controversial positions raised in this topic.
the taxman wrote:http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=24185129
ther is something wrong with the coordinates
Typo in the city name. Apparently edited in the meantime.
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Gauss wrote:
the taxman wrote:http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... d=24185129
ther is something wrong with the coordinates
Typo in the city name. Apparently edited in the meantime.
I reckon the problem was/is in the city profile map, where the dot is still misplaced.
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Zé da Silva wrote:in the city profile map the dot is still misplaced.
True. One location (the one for the 6 notes entered in 45000 Montargis, which is the wrong postal code in the first place) was erroneously placed at 47998 (not 47.998) degrees north of the equator. Thanks for the observation.

(There is a corpse of a location named 45200 Montargris from tonight so my remark about the typo in the city name was not unmotivated.)
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