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EuroBillTracker wrote:Dakkus, what a wonderful post explaining how this is all a misunderstanding of the status of the site (and yes, I am very sincere). Too bad your last post was not in the same vein.

Ok to put it shortly : I created a site. People used it. A community that I wished not to lead, control or guide flourished on this forum (a personnal choice) . This community used the site.
One day, members of the community with high status encouraged users to go to another site. So
i) they must take responsibility for splitting the community
ii) the people who hosted the site previously may not simply take the whole database of 100.000+ users and start using it as is : the "movers" must move their own notes; so if 3749 people move to EU, you will have the notes of those people. Assuming, they have all entered 100.000 notes, the total still amounts to less than the 38.000.000 notes you have on *.eu.

To put it simply, even though you are the loudest, you are not the majority. There are over 100.000 users which are not on the forum discussing the issue here.
I understand your thinking, I know how anarchists think. I am not an anarchist so I can only disagree with you and protect myself from people like you and their emotional reactions. Thus my fait-accomplis in moving the hosting.

So yes, this seems to be a difference in cultures and backgrounds. It shows even in the way the forums are split : apparently south-european forums are not reacting the same way north-europeans are.

PS: let's not start a discussion about politics ok ? We have enough to work with...
EuroBillTracker wrote: There are over 100.000 users which are not on the forum discussing the issue here.
Giro, Did you ever look and see how many of those 100000 are actually active or if they even entered a bill or two, let alone continue after that?
EuroBillTracker wrote: this seems to be a difference in cultures and backgrounds. It shows even in the way the forums are split : apparently south-european forums are not reacting the same way north-europeans are.
Rather than making sweeping generalizations I think you need a much better apprecation of multiculturalism as well as language divides, not to mention the geographic distribution of the EBT userbase, especially if you plan on managing a project like this.
EuroBillTracker wrote:protect myself from people like you and their emotional reactions.
Regardless of country or language whether people feel confident enough to post on the English-language forum or any forum, we are not cry-babies, not overly emotional people, just people who have spent a lot of time fulfilling this project's potential, and who now are, rightly, pissed off. That emotion is universal and doesn't depend on country or language.

I see on the forum that Avij is making realistic proposals for a good, solid future for EBT. You seem to be getting a bit more scattered and desparate with each additional message. What are your views on the creation of an association... ?

If I were a potential new EBT'er from Malta or Cyprus, or any country, I think I would run screaming from this site in its current disarray.

Perhaps I have loved EBT too much and made it too much a part of my life... :cry:

By the way, the hit ratio in France is over 1:1000 (down from 2500 when I got my first hit) So why should we care what happens to EBT? Well, the truth is, we still do.. although the days are running out on my and our patience.
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Re: EBT is dead

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bhoeyb wrote:
ErGo wrote:But I want the same right on the .COM-site! I want access to my data or my data should get deleted. I write a mail to their support but nothing happens!!!
I asked to use the same right as you mentioned. Too bad .com decides it's not your data anymore, but data from the url owner :? .
I think it is not that .com doesn't want to delete the data, but more a management problem as a lot of fake notes were posted and the .com site needed much management...
I'm convinced that this problem will be solved...
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Re: EBT is dead

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snakefire77 wrote:
jenny&me wrote:When you pay €200 to keep someone else's site alive, you're more than a simple volunteer. I cannot understand that Giro is still getting all this support for doing virtually nothing!
O.o Avij didn't want any money for it in the first place, so it's kinda weird if he would start to complain about it now don't you think.
Furthermore, who is to say that EBT is the only thing running on that server. One could easily have several paying sites on the server or the server could already be in use for other personel reasons. If I lend you a room in my house that I didn't use, wouldn't you think it strange if I dangled the whole household bill in front of you.

One thing that I hate is when people quote me for something I did not say! I checked my posts and I didn't find this words in any of them. I will love to know where have you read this.
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Post by Elmo »

This quote came from jovada (an understandable mistake, since jovada and jenny&me both start with j and have about the same length! :wink:):
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... &start=157
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j3paris wrote:
EuroBillTracker wrote:protect myself from people like you and their emotional reactions.
Regardless of country or language whether people feel confident enough to post on the English-language forum or any forum, we are not cry-babies, not overly emotional people, just people who have spent a lot of time fulfilling this project's potential, and who now are, rightly, pissed off. That emotion is universal and doesn't depend on country or language.

I see on the forum that Avij is making realistic proposals for a good, solid future for EBT. You seem to be getting a bit more scattered and desparate with each additional message. What are your views on the creation of an association... ?
@J3paris:

Well spoken.
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A new hope

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Hi! I have some very good news! A mediation team between .eu and . com has been organized. It is composed of four people: Phaseolus, Craco, de-jo and Mr. euro. The official message is here (French version) http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... ht=#499889
For the moment it exists only an Italian translation done by myself, it is here
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 914#499914
but I hope we will have soon English version and other translations.

In the message Phaseolus wrote that the team has the objective of the reunification of the data-base and that little steps will be soon done (we hope)
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Just one question and joke ...
Database was hosted by aviij server in finland ... Ok
But this server hasn't a backup ?
Avij, Giro keep the both server and use the second to backup the first one :wink:
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Who do you think I am, an amateur? :roll:

EBT's database is backed up nightly to the EBTForum's server, and EBTForum's database is backed up nightly to the EBT's server. So if either of them goes down for some reason, we can just change the DNS to point to the other server. These two servers are even in a different location, so if there was a fire at our office which destroyed the server, the database would be safe on the other server, located some 10km away.

Okay, I know you weren't 100% serious with your suggestion, but I thought I'd point this out anyway.
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avij wrote:Who do you think I am, an amateur? :roll:

EBT's database is backed up nightly to the EBTForum's server, and EBTForum's database is backed up nightly to the EBT's server. So if either of them goes down for some reason, we can just change the DNS to point to the other server. These two servers are even in a different location, so if there was a fire at our office which destroyed the server, the database would be safe on the other server, located some 10km away.

Okay, I know you weren't 100% serious with your suggestion, but I thought I'd point this out anyway.
But I like the serious of our answer :)
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Re: A new hope

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claudio vda wrote:Hi! I have some very good news! A mediation team between .eu and . com has been organized. It is composed of four people: Phaseolus, Craco, de-jo and Mr. euro
A Belgian team of mediators to reunite EBT. How ironic :D
But seriously, I hope you can work something out.
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Chiel wrote:
claudio vda wrote:Hi! I have some very good news! A mediation team between .eu and . com has been organized. It is composed of four people: Phaseolus, Craco, de-jo and Mr. euro
A Belgian team of mediators to reunite EBT. How ironic :D
But seriously, I hope you can work something out.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the very first post that made me laugh out loud! It might takes us half a year before the solution is found, but we will find one! :P :lol:
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And now for my serious reply! :wink:

I don't think I can add something to the discussion that hasn't been said before, but I would like to make some "side-comments" on issues that should be considered in the future:

- Until I started to read some topics on this forum, I had no idea that so many people had so many visions on tracking euro notes. I'm just a simple user who only enters the notes he gets and I am genuinely delighted when I get a hit. (2! I tell you, 2! :P )
I always imagined that people working at a bank had access to so much money that they could enter thousands of notes every day. I learned that that is not so easy to do and that some just take the serial of the first and the last note of a stack freshly printed notes and enter the lot of them. :o
I also learned that people go to the bank to change notes, so they can enter more notes. :?: :roll:
Conclusion? There is not a community of users who all think alike, so you cannot use the word 'community'. On the other hand, there is so much diversity that you HAVE to get to know and to consult those people before taking a decision.

- Until I got the "warning e-mail", I had no idea there was a disagreement between the administrators. I would like to keep it that way: keep your fights behind the screens and work out a solution like most adults can do.

- I also learned that several euro notes tracking sites existed in the beginning and that the one I joined last year, turned out to be the strongest one. Now that we've made it this far, we can't afford to let all this good work gone to waste, can we?

Erm, turns out I was not only "side-commenting". :lol:
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forestroads wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That's the very first post that made me laugh out loud! It might takes us half a year before the solution is found, but we will find one! :P :lol:
I guess finding a solution between Giro and Avij, Nerzhul is much more easier than building a government in Belgium as we do not have any problems on which language should be used...
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EuroBillTracker wrote:Assuming, they have all entered 100.000 notes, the total still amounts to less than the 38.000.000 notes you have on *.eu.
Actually, until very few days ago, I just plain did not care whether the address I was using to enter notes ended in .com or .eu. From my point of view they were interchangeable, just two different names for the very same thing or site.

Yes, I realize that .eu domains were not available when EBT was created. But for projects such as EBT I prefer .eu - partly because this is a European, EU, euro related site, partly because .com suggests "commercial" (which of course is not bad by itself ...). So I have been using eurobilltracker.eu (or, on occasions when I need to actually type the URL, eurobt.eu) for quite a while now.

We had a topic, somewhere around here, about what URLs people use/prefer/like. Judging from that and similar discussions, I assume others did the same thing - use whatever is convenient. So it would not be correct to say that, unless individually requested otherwise, all entries made before 24-Dec should count as ".com" entries.

Since I am not exactly what could be called a power tracker, my opinion might not count quite as much as those of others. Perfectly fine by me. Oh, and I wish you all a happy new year. Resolutions for 2008 anyone? :wink:

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tabbs wrote:
EuroBillTracker wrote:Assuming, they have all entered 100.000 notes, the total still amounts to less than the 38.000.000 notes you have on *.eu.
Actually, until very few days ago, I just plain did not care whether the address I was using to enter notes ended in .com or .eu. From my point of view they were interchangeable, just two different names for the very same thing or site.

Yes, I realize that .eu domains were not available when EBT was created. But for projects such as EBT I prefer .eu - partly because this is a European, EU, euro related site, partly because .com suggests "commercial" (which of course is not bad by itself ...). So I have been using eurobilltracker.eu (or, on occasions when I need to actually type the URL, eurobt.eu) for quite a while now.

We had a topic, somewhere around here, about what URLs people use/prefer/like. Judging from that and similar discussions, I assume others did the same thing - use whatever is convenient. So it would not be correct to say that, unless individually requested otherwise, all entries made before 24-Dec should count as ".com" entries.

Since I am not exactly what could be called a power tracker, my opinion might not count quite as much as those of others. Perfectly fine by me. Oh, and I wish you all a happy new year. Resolutions for 2008 anyone? :wink:

Christian
It seems to me that you don't understand that .eu and .com are two different sites at the moment....
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