Codes in Eurobills

Tiger · Post by **Tiger** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 9:13 am

Yep....
I don't know why they did that.

I already inserted about 300 notes, and NONE of them ended in a 0 !!!
I've get many 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 but not a single note ending on a zero..

Why the heck is that ?

EuroBillTracker · Post by **EuroBillTracker** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:20 pm

byrnefm wrote: Also, I notice that while the Irish notes go up in increments of 9, no serial number ends in zero - if I get bills from an ATM and one ended in ...11, the next would be ...29, not 20! Is this common throughout the eurozone?

No bills end in 0 ever because the last digit is a checksum and we are using the decimal system...

Tiger · Post by **Tiger** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:27 pm

and what is this checksum actually ?
I know that when you count all the numbers, you have to get a certain number specific for each country...
But what's about that check number ?

jaker · Post by **jaker** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:26 pm

This is the information I found from europa.union.euro newsgroup FAQ. The checksum is always 8 and it is calculated by adding up all serial numbers and the leading letter value, which is its position in the (latin) alphabet, according to the following list:

Code: Select all

I	 9	*
J	10	United Kingdom**
K	11	Sverige (Sweden)**
L	12	Suomi (Finland)
M	13	Portugal
N	14	Oesterreich (Austria)
O	15	*
P	16	Nederland
Q	17	*
R	18	Luxembourg**
S	19	Italia
T	20	Ireland
U	21	France
V	22	España
W	23	Danmark**+
X	24	Deutschland
Y	25	Ellàda (Greece) +
Z	26	Belgie/Belgique

*  Not used	
** For future use	
+  Denmark and Greece swapped

Here is the link to
the faq in Google groups.

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 2:45 pm

jaker wrote:This is the information I found from europa.union.euro newsgroup FAQ. The checksum is always 8 and it is calculated by adding up all serial numbers and the leading letter value, which is its position in the (latin) alphabet, according to the following list:
Code: Select all
I	 9	*
J	10	United Kingdom**
K	11	Sverige (Sweden)**
L	12	Suomi (Finland)
M	13	Portugal
N	14	Oesterreich (Austria)
O	15	*
P	16	Nederland
Q	17	*
R	18	Luxembourg**
S	19	Italia
T	20	Ireland
U	21	France
V	22	España
W	23	Danmark**+
X	24	Deutschland
Y	25	Ellàda (Greece) +
Z	26	Belgie/Belgique

*  Not used	
** For future use	
+  Denmark and Greece swapped	
Here is the link to
the faq in Google groups.

Very interesting!!
So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...

O.

jaker · Post by **jaker** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 3:04 pm

Olivier wrote:So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...

* They are in trouble
* They use letters A...H (but one day there will be an end to it...)
* They share letters between countries
* They have something else in mind

(I guess I could have just said I don't know

).

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 3:07 pm

jaker wrote:
Olivier wrote:So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...

* They are in trouble
* They use letters A...H (but one day there will be an end to it...)
* They share letters between countries
* They have something else in mind

(I guess I could have just said I don't know ).

Yes, ther might be at last 10 newcomers in a few years... Or maybe we'll have greek letters, or symbols...

Who could give us more informations?

O.

smh · Post by **smh** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 8:12 pm

Philippe, do you also use this to check the serial numbers or do you only check the numbers?

emmem · Post by **emmem** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 9:17 pm

Olivier wrote:
jaker wrote:
Olivier wrote:So, how will manage this system to include other countries: Estonia, Cyprus, Malta, Poland...

* They are in trouble
* They use letters A...H (but one day there will be an end to it...)
* They share letters between countries
* They have something else in mind

(I guess I could have just said I don't know ).
Yes, ther might be at last 10 newcomers in a few years... Or maybe we'll have greek letters, or symbols...

Who could give us more informations?

O.

Well, they use the ASCII format. So for the 11-the newcommer you'll have something like +0x392186xxx or @0x392186xxx.

Coluld also be possible that 2 letters are used (i.e. IP0x392186xxx)

francky · Post by **francky** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 9:29 pm

emmem wrote: Well, they use the ASCII format. So for the 11-the newcommer you'll have something like +0x392186xxx or @0x392186xxx.

emmem wrote: Coluld also be possible that 2 letters are used (i.e. IP0x392186xxx)

What's make 26*2=676 possibilities

Euro all around the World

emmem · Post by **emmem** » Sat Jun 15, 2002 10:33 pm

francky wrote:What's make 26*26=676 possibilities

This is not entirely correct. You have to add the remaining 26 letters too.

So it should be 26*26+26 = 702

But then the I (too close to 1), O and Q (too close to 0) are not used. And D will probably not be used too, I think. Which makes only 22 possibly letters, thus

22*22+22 = 506 possibilities.

emmem wrote:i.e. IP0x392186xxx

Damn, a bad example. Can't use the I in IP.

EuroBillTracker · Post by **EuroBillTracker** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 10:56 am

smh wrote:Philippe, do you also use this to check the serial numbers or do you only check the numbers?

I compute and check the last digit based on the first 11 characters of the serial number, like every other site.

... for now ...

jaker · Post by **jaker** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 7:39 pm

When the next countries start using Euros we may well be in a situation where country codes don't matter any more. This may have been quoted in other forums too (it's about them faulty 500€ notes):

http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20020108IE5

Towards the end of the article:
"Henceforth the problem is unlikely to recur; in the initial stages all the denominations of notes were printed in each of the participating countries, but in future each country will print one specific note, a fact that will allow for more precise setting of machinery. Setec will not be printing any more of the EUR 500 notes."

€tracking will not me much fun then

emmem · Post by **emmem** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 8:18 pm

jaker wrote: Towards the end of the article:
"Henceforth the problem is unlikely to recur; in the initial stages all the denominations of notes were printed in each of the participating countries, but in future each country will print one specific note, a fact that will allow for more precise setting of machinery. Setec will not be printing any more of the EUR 500 notes."

€tracking will not me much fun then

Well, maybe this will only affect the printer codes. If for instance France prints would print 500 Euro bills for emmission in Belgium, the serials can always start with Z.

smh · Post by **smh** » Sun Jun 16, 2002 9:47 pm

EuroBillTracker wrote:
smh wrote:Philippe, do you also use this to check the serial numbers or do you only check the numbers?
I compute and check the last digit based on the first 11 characters of the serial number, like every other site.

... for now ...

Okay, i didn't really go in to this, but wouldn't it be possible to enter a serial with a fake (unused) letter?