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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:20 pm
by BossaNova
honestly I don't know, major portuguese news sites must have special dossiers on the matter, mais en français... je ne sais pa..
I don't believe that there's many thing in english..
back to Perejil, I found out that that rock was portuguese from 1415 to 1581, probably portuguese army should also invade the rock
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2002 1:00 am
by Olivier
I have seen some reports on TV... All noise for that little confetti... Some heads of state have nothing to do of their free time...
Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2002 2:20 am
by Olivier
Actually, according to my Atlas, there are several spanish islands near the marrocan coasts: Perejil, Velez de la Gomera, Alhucemas (near Al Hoceima), the islands Chafarinas (near Ras-el-Ma).
This crisis could be a pretext to start a general negociation on all the spanish islands and territories (+Ceuta and Melilla).
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:04 am
by BossaNova
yes the sittuation is a lot more complicated then it looks.. Morroco had many motifs to do this, first if spanish didn't react, in some years they could try to occupy Ceuta and Melilla with the excuse that Perejil was also spanish and they were there for years without complains..
if spain reacted, the comparisions with the Gibraltar issue would be automatic, and Gibraltar is being discussed now.. and this is of course in favor to Morroco view..
then there are still the Ocidental Sahara issue, Spain wants a referendum there (I agree) Morroco don't
, but on the other end, what's the spanish legitimacy, when they refuse to do a referendum in Galicia, Basque Country and Catalunya?!
there are many different issues.., according to the net polls, portuguese are with moroco, but the common european foreing policy don't
perhaps because it's a spanish guy leading it? but of course the guy must be from some country.. and only one! this is always going to happen, there aren't "pure-europeans" yet..
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:56 am
by ag_pt
It was given with Ceuta as a marriage gift of a portuguese princess.
Forget it! If we gave it, we gave it and don't want it back!
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:49 pm
by Olivier
about Sahara Occidental, I think the best would be to consult people living there. We can't consult the poor goats of Perejil
it's not the case in the other territories. After all, we don't even know what peoples of Ceuta, Melilla and Gibraltar want.
About the european foreign policy, all what happened in Perejil shows us that the european foreign policy simply doesn't exist...
We just heard noise between Madrid, Brussels...
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 12:51 pm
by Olivier
ag_pt wrote:It was given with Ceuta as a marriage gift of a portuguese princess.
Forget it! If we gave it, we gave it and don't want it back!
What a gift!
"Chérie... Here is a islet with goats on it, and the soldiers of Morocco nearby! Are you happy?
"
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:19 am
by BossaNova
that's nothing.. we gave Nova Dehli to the brits in the same conditions..
that's why all India, except Goa, Damão and Diu, is a british ex-colony...
we are givers, that's what we are..
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:25 am
by Olivier
Pondichéry, Karikal, Mahé, Yanaon and Chandernagor were french from 1763 to 1956 .
I've never been to India. Is it nice?
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:27 am
by BossaNova
I've never been there
but the images I saw from Goa are fantastic, it's an world heritage city, like Porto
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:30 am
by Olivier
By the way... What happens to the people of Macao, since it's got back to China? The situation of Hong Kong is not very good...
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:39 am
by BossaNova
I don't know much, the majority of the people that live there are chinese, always were, but the portuguese that live there don't have complains I think..
portuguese is still the official language like chinese, look this note:
for more about goa go to
http://www.vivagoa.com
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:45 am
by Olivier
What is the currency there? The escudo of macao?
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 12:46 am
by Olivier
It's writen "patacas"...
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 1:08 am
by BossaNova
macau is the only portuguese ex-colony that always had it's own currency, wich are patacas, they are a lot older then escudos.. in portugal there are more traditional sayings about patacas then escudos.. I think timor and goa had patacas for some time, but their last currency while being portuguese colonies were escudos
look a pataca from 1945:
also in portuguese and chinese!
PS: only the bank is not the same, it used to be the portuguese Overseas National Bank, now is Bank of China.