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Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:43 pm
by avij
Personally, I have never understood why the airports should have their own city profile. There's simply no logic in that.

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 6:42 pm
by lmviterbo
avij wrote:Personally, I have never understood why the airports should have their own city profile. There's simply no logic in that.
Agreed here (mostly). That practice is plainly illogical in countries where the EBT term "city" is interpreted as an administrative division (because administrative divisions cover the entire territory of a country).

I grant that the logic behind it is somewhat valid though in the case of countries like Portugal where the EBT term "city" is interpreted not as an administrative division but as an independent populated place / settlement. Although we in Portugal don't have airports sufficiently far away from any town as to this be appliable, we do have three or four important places of the same kind: the peak of our continental highest mountain (Serra da Estrela) has a whole shopping area and, although nobody leaves there, it does work like a populated place for many purposes including EBT; the same happens for Cabo da Roca, where many of the EBTers who visited Portugal got some of their notes because it is the Westernmost point of continental Europe and has shops too.

If I got it right, Thailand's EBT "cities" have been understood so far as settlements, not provinces (changwat) or any subdivision, so Samut Prakan shouldn't be a city, neither should be the district (amphoe) where the airport is (Bang Phli).

The airport area is divided between two subdistricts / communes (tambon): Nong Prue, where most of the airport area is, including the main terminal; and Racha Thewa, where most of the customs free zone is (including, I am guessing here, the duty-free shop). You can see on the satellite maps that there is a settlement to the West of the airport, but I can't find its name easily.

You could then choose, as EBT "city", Nong Prue (which is on the official address but is not really a village in any sense), Racha Thewa (because you can find this name in many airport descriptions, and the duty-free is probably there, although, again, this is not really a village in any sense), or Bangkok (but this is definitely too far away), or…

Well, all in all, maybe for this particular airport it makes sense, arguably, to have an individual EBT profile.

Note: as could be expected, some EBTers chose the names Racha Thewa and Bang Phli (but surprisingly not Nong Prue), and it's very very likely that these notes were acquired on the Bangkok International Suvarnabhumi Airport. If there's no opposition, I will merge these two profiles into the airport's one too.

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:15 pm
by Jan010
tigerpranke wrote:
Jan010 wrote:
tigerpranke wrote:
Jan010 wrote:Klarenbeek pls merge with Klarenbeek (Apeldoorn)
I merged Klarenbeek with Klarenbeek (Voorst) :arrow: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klarenbeek (dorp)

This villages belongs to two municipality: Apeldoorn and Voorst

The notes I got are from Klarenbeek in the municipality Apeldoorn.
Pls add my notes to Klarenbeek (Apeldoorn).
Sorry, but I don't know which notes of Klarenbeek are yours. You should provide a link to one note, that is easier for citymanagers.

I guess as you entered 30 notes in Klarenbeek, most of your notes are with the postal code 7382 CB. Your hit with Klarenbeek was at Rabobank, Sparrenweg 5. I searched through the :flag-nl: postal codes to get the right municipality, which seems to be Voorst for 7382 CB. Am I wrong?

I check google maps and it is not clear in which municipality it is.
Leave all notes under the profile of Klarenbeek (Voorst).
Thanks

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 1:08 pm
by rocketronnie
How is this possible? Never entered a note in France.

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:21 pm
by Burdie
rocketronnie wrote:How is this possible? Never entered a note in France.
There is one city profile (Combination City / Postcode) with the wrong coordinates. I was trying to find it, but I was not succeded in that.

I Need the name of the place with the wrong coordinates. Do you have somewhere your Stats online, so that i can in see with places you have entered notes?

( I go further in Dutch, I think that is our both native language)
Misschien kan je self uitvinden om welke plaats het gaat. Als je naar biljetten gaat, zie je bovenaan 'mijn plaatsen' (de knop naast 'Kaarten')
Als je daar op drukt krijg je een lijst met al je plaatsen waar je biljetten hebt ingegeven, als je op de plaatsen drukt, hoop ik dat 1 van die plaatsen een dot in Frankrijk geeft. Als ik weet welke plaats dat is, dan kan ik dat veranderen.

Groetjes Burdie

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:31 pm
by kayhh
Germany 23845 Grabau has the wrong city profile. It is a town in Kreis Stormarn not Herzogtum Lauenburg (there is 21493 Grabau) the town is located 53° 48′ N, 10° 17′ O
Regards
Kay

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:20 pm
by tigerpranke
kayhh wrote:Germany 23845 Grabau has the wrong city profile. It is a town in Kreis Stormarn not Herzogtum Lauenburg (there is 21493 Grabau) the town is located 53° 48′ N, 10° 17′ O
Regards
Kay
done.

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:13 pm
by LArdennais
rocketronnie wrote:How is this possible? Never entered a note in France.
Hebt U naar De Panne, Koksijde, Veurne...gegaan ?
Have you gone to De Panne, Koksijde, Veurne... ?

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:30 pm
by Burdie
LArdennais wrote:
rocketronnie wrote:How is this possible? Never entered a note in France.
Hebt U naar De Panne, Koksijde, Veurne...gegaan ?
Have you gone to De Panne, Koksijde, Veurne... ?

I think it is not one of his Belgium notes. The dot is near Lyon. I'm still searching for the wrong dot. I Thourgt the meaning of dothunting was something else :-)

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:39 pm
by tigerpranke
LArdennais wrote:
rocketronnie wrote:How is this possible? Never entered a note in France.
Hebt U naar De Panne, Koksijde, Veurne...gegaan ?
Have you gone to De Panne, Koksijde, Veurne... ?
The mystery is solved :mrgreen:

One of the entries (Oud alblas (2969AJ)) of :flag-nl: Oud Alblas had the coordinates 4.70484, 4.70484, which gave your notes coordinates in France. I corrected the wrong ones to 51.8585, 4.70484.

The dot in France disappeared.

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:00 pm
by rocketronnie
Thnx u guys! The Dot is gone -1 , Good job.

Only strange is, it happened yesterday or the day before, and the note in Oud Alblas was entered on 2015-09-10.

But i don't care problem is solved :wink:

thank you
Next :arrow: 8)

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:35 pm
by Burdie
rocketronnie wrote:Thnx u guys! The Dot is gone -1 , Good job.

Only strange is, it happened yesterday or the day before, and the note in Oud Alblas was entered on 2015-09-10.

But i don't care problem is solved :wink:

thank you
Next :arrow: 8)
Oeps, than was that my fault, I'm plotting in the netherlands. an error with copy text. I was so far with profiles (City - postcode combination) over the 800 notes have now an coordinate.

By searching for the wrong dot, I found more wrong dots, and some missing dots, so the search was not for nothing

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:42 pm
by lmviterbo
I'm glad rocketronnie's problem is solved. I couldn't solve it this afternoon but here's the two cents I thought of adding when I read this:

A problem like this one happens from time to time and, as far as I can think of, may be due to one of two reasons:
  • The location's coordinates were manually added by one of the geolocation plotters, but he or she has mistyped the latitude or longitude figures, or both;
  • The location's coordinates were automatically calculated by the system, averaging the coordinates of some other locations it automatically deems as similar. (This works fine most of the time but on some special occasions "similar" are not similar at all.)
Either way it can happen at amy time, independently from the time the note was registered (and the location created therefore). On the first scenario, the plotters are always improving the system by adding manual coordinates. On the second scenario, another new location may enter the pool of "similar" ones at any time and move the average a lot if this new location is itself too far away.

On the notes csv file, the manual coordinates have 4 or less digits after the decimal point for latitude, and 5 or less for longitude; averaged ones are long numbers, with up to 15 decimal places.

On this particular situation, I would have asked rocketronnie to open their notes csv file and look for a latitude of 45.something and a longitude of 4.something. That would be the culprit. Knowing the entry number on column J would be enough for the plotters to correct the problem then.

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 7:20 am
by negative

Re: Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:27 am
by LArdennais
Done.