
Total : 500 dont/within 12 bleu/blue + 7 rouge/red
Hmm… Pas 499? Les
I am strongly suspicious aboutjack_isidore wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:28 pm are there any pics of
S001
R010
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maybe they don't exist at all?
thank you for this elaborated summary. i think i will remove thelmviterbo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:35 am
I am strongly suspicious aboutR010. I've never seen a picture of it. Furthermore, there's no gap in the serial numbering between R009 (up to X159 + some replacement notes up to X170) and R011 (X160-X169 + some replacement notes at X159 and X170). On Mr. Sohier's liste, he actually attributes
R010/X the same value as all others R006-R011, which is intriguing.
As toS001, I haven't seen a picture either (nor any evidence in fact) but I suspect they're real, although rare. I never found one for sale, none was ever reported as a public serial, and I couldn't find a single one on public user stats (there's one exception: gabonik registered a S**153 — this, however, is most likely a simple transposition error, because S**153 are S010).
What makes me think that this a real plate, then? Here are all my reasons:
- All S002/S
I've seen in public records or in my hands are no lower than S**002, which makes me suspect that there are S**001, and these might be a test series printed on plate S001
- The usually knowledgeable giulcenc claims there's S**001 and there is S001, although he doesn't claim anywhere that this plate and this serial number range are conneceted (table in pdf here).
- Mr. Berriot quotes them at triple the price of the more common
S/S plates.
- Mr. Sohier lists them (although he still hasn't published his quotes for
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).
- Finally, there are at the moment 116
S001/S registered on EBT (source). This is not indicative of a real combination by itself. But here's how they are distributed: 48 in Italy, 33 in Austria, 15 in The Netherlands, 13 in Germany, the rest elsewhere (source). The obvious mistakes I can think of when one enters a
S001/S are: the real denomination is
, the real plate is S010, the real plate is S011. If these mistakes were happening equally, and all of the
S001/S were mistakes, then, taking from the sum of notes per country registered up to now, the expected distribution would be something like 65 in Germany, 14 in Austria, 10 in Italy, 6 both in The Netherlands and in Belgium, and the rest elsewhere. Because this is very different from the current distribution, there's a slightly higher chance that there are real notes registered for this plate.
Not so fast. Quoting from the database heading: "Please note: Rows with less than 10 notes are excluded, as they're likely errors." For a very rare but real combination, it is possible in fact that fewer than 10 notes were registered on EBT. Also, in the general database log table (not the one detailed by country that you linked to), these two are listed:jack_isidore wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:31 pmwhen i take some time for analyzing the ebt database it occurs, that there are some phantom-combinations in jackgaillard's list, just for instance there is no single entry forD/R030
F/R026
F/R029
G/R026
H/R029 or
H/R047.
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