Stamped notes

[JordiJanTaxi]

Note with history:

1.- Printed in the Netherlands before 2002
2.- Put into circulation in Spain
3.- Traveled
4.- Stained
5.- Been back to the Netherlands
6.- Because it was given to me by a passenger deboarded from an airplane arrived right from Amsterdam.

Can't assure the order of points 3, 4 and 5...

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[JordiJanTaxi]

You'll possibly remember that back in July I posted a photo of a WD bill put into circulation in Oslo, Norway.

OK: It seems that seeing tourinsts from outside euro area has this kind of surprises.

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A couple from Kiev, Ukraine, did a short ride and paid me with a brand new, uncirculated . When I saw it, I immediately asked the guy if he had more. He took his wallet and had a that I asked to exchange. He must have tought I was crazy. Two banknotes of 2002 that he bought this week in his bank. The is an X0***, but the is the typical Z6*** of the first series printed in Belgium.

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[JordiJanTaxi]

Hi,

Many times, in this thread, photos appear with small stamps said to be used by exchange offices to guarantee their banknotes. I thought that it occured only in countries where their local currency is not internationally valuable, but it seems the use gets extended.
I needed a few dollars for a friend. As they were few and needed them quickly, I did not go to my bank, but I went to an exchange office in famous Barcelona's Rambla. Well: I got 18 banknotes with a small red "M" (except for one that was blue). First I thought (wished) they could be hits to Where's George, since I saw only a couple of them. When the guy gave me the notes I (sadly) saw all of them were marked, so my WsG illusion flew away. I asked and he told me they mark all their banknotes...

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[JordiJanTaxi]

Greek teens are the new plague of this october. More than one third of them are greek. And a colleague in Zaragoza even reported new uncirculated N033 batches, which finally smells like pooling. I wonder if it is not because FNMT is already busy printing "Europateens", as it happened when lots of new uncirclated batches of E004/P12 fivers were put into circulation in Spain as Europafivers were being printed.

Yesterday I was given a greek that had a big part totally torn away and fixed with adhesive tape. This bill has really been in Greece and fixed "the greek way". Luckily I've been able to remove 90% of the tape, relocate the torn part, and leave it more suitable so it is not retired... Off course with my stamp..., although this time I could not stamp it along Eurasia...

Look at the size of tape it had when I was given it:

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[arghi]

Hi,

I am a new member on this forum and have some ideas about banknotes.
My question is probably a boring one: Is it legal to stamp notes? Even if it isn't, will it stop them from circulating?
I am more interested in Germany for the moment, Berlin.

I read some things until now, also in this topic and I see notes moving around and having stamps on them. I guess that's possible. But what if stamped on them is something like a brand? Not CocaCola or genuine advertising, but a "soon to be" well known brand. This stamp will be something which promotes notes tracking and more. All free and and in a fun way.

I hope you got a general idea about what I am asking and you can also give me an answer. From the legal point of view and also moral one. Would stamping in this conditions be considered advertising? I want the moral thing and I want to develop something starting from what's right.

Thanks in advance.

[CarlosManta]

Bank notes are "abused" in a number of ways, from the accidental coffee spill, to writing down political messages.

When notes return to the bank, before they are put in the ATM (cash machine), notes of insufficient quality are thrown out of circulation (sent to the central bank to be destroyed).

If you accidentally damage a bank note, you can tape it together, and any bank will still accept it as a legal money, so a stamp is a relatively smaller abuse...

The criteria for the banks to consider bank notes of insufficient quality includes "graffiti" (writing or stamps) but is as far as I have found they are relatively flexible. Notes do come out of ATMs with stamps on them.

What can be universally said, I guess, is that by stamping you are reducing the lifetime of the bank note, and not increasing it. (maybe by 0,5%, maybe by 50%... I have no idea).

Coming back to your question, you "intend" to stamp the bills to promote some activity, which means it would not be accidental, and the author of the stamps would be identifiable... I have no knowledge of applicable laws, but if it is not being used for advertising by the big companies...

[arghi]

Thank you for your response.

What I actually want to do, is to offer a service will will trace banknotes and make us learn more about them.
The actual tracing will be done by the serial number, but in order to distinguish the bills, you need a visual recognition system. Nothing is better than a stamp or a special sign. Making them distinguishable is just a part of the plan in order to be easier to recognise.
You could basically introduce the serial number. But being honest now, nobody will do that. Not even the banknote enthusiastic.

As I said before, this will be a free service. The bottleneck for the idea, at the moment, is to make bills(only the lowest currency available in paper) recognisable. And when you see that something(stamp, sign, written thing, stain etc) it will pop in your head that it is traced.

If anybody has ideas about this, could easily pitch in and would be appreciated. I hope it's not considered an off topic.

[JordiJanTaxi]

Another small contribution to stamped bills.

I don't know what the first can be about:

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The second one is a bit more clear...

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[tabbs]

You could basically introduce the serial number. But being honest now, nobody will do that. Not even the banknote enthusiastic.

Ha, we (EBT members) do it all the time. As for the legal situation in DE, with your own notes you can basically do anything: tear them, burn them, stamp them ... Just keep in mind that the Bundesbank will not give you a refund if you intentionally destroy or damage a note.

Whether stamping a note reduces its lifetime significantly - hard to tell.The EBTers tend to not do it, people who contribute to a similar project in the US (Where's George) seem to use stamps with the site URL more often. Possibly because the low denomination dollar notes have a short average lifetime anyway.

What I would certainly avoid is a sticker. That may get even more people's attention but is almost a guarantee that a merchant, bank and ultimately central bank will take it out of circulation ...

Christian

[JordiJanTaxi]

arghi,

Not very long time ago, I posted a few photos showing stamps used in USA by "Georgers" (those that go after "georges", one dollar bills) and their website Where's George:

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I also do use a small stamp in about 1/4 of the bills I register. Although I know for sure that most people just don't look at the banknotes, and if they see anything they just don't care, it makes me feel weird to give two or three or more banknotes to someone, all with the same stamp on them...

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Here you can see my stamp, and you also have a link to a document by ECB concerning "grafitti" on banknotes that you can read in german just switching the "en" letters into "de". You can find the letters in the middle of the series of numbers.

Read my second link about what and where to stamp the notes (which in any case is nothing else but a personal opinion).

We all have seen stamped notes come out of ATMs, and even from bank recirculating machines.

Actually, the fact any local bank retires the note of circulation, DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN that this note is going to be destroyed. Central Banks (or Federal Reserve Banks - FRB in United States) have far more sophisticated machines to determine suitability of banknotes, and most of the ones retired by local branches end up back into circulation.
Read http://forums.wheresgeorge.com/showpost ... stcount=65" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for more detailed information on conclusions about bill stamping or even
http://forums.wheresgeorge.com/showthre ... ost5479648" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for more extensive considerations.

[tabbs]

Relatively new examples from France.


Christian

*EDIT bren_nmgn*

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Please don't post (pictures of) serials to avoid false hits.....

[JordiJanTaxi]

Someone wrote a 10200 with a zero very mucho into the spiral of number 2, or a 1200 with a very "baroque" 2

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[JordiJanTaxi]

And one that could belong to

"Sociedad Argentina de Reumatología" (Argentinian Reumatology Society [it exists])
"Servicio Aéreo de Rescate" (Spanish Coast Guard Aerial Rescue Service)
"Search And Rescue"
"Su Alteza Real" (His / Her Royal Highness)

or even be a

"Specific Absortion Rate " testbed...

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[Pole Doctor]

A stamped M/V I was given in a gas station on the French A43 motorway. The stamp looks like "... lare" ? ("Popolare" ?). Sounds like this note was in Italy (the gas station I got it in is on the first service area encountered when driving from Italy through the Frejus tunnel).

[šumienka]

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