Stamped notes
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Re: Stamped notes
Hello.
Let me introduce myself briefly.
My name is Jordi and I am a taxi driver in Barcelona. I heard about EBT once on the radio, I looked after it, and since I registered none of a banknote that has been in my hands has missed its corresponding log.
A colleague mentioned a thread on stamped notes, and here I am.
I would like to END DEFINITIVELY (and I am emphasizing, not shouting) with the legend that stamped banknotes are retierd from circulation .
http://www.ecb.int/ecb/legal/pdf/l_2672 ... 010020.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is ECB website and describes suitable and unsuitable banknotes accordin to their shape, dirtyness and "graffiti" (funny name). They call it "Επιζωγραφισμένο" (χαρτονόμησμα) in greek and "inscripciones" in spanish.
Whoever whises to read it in any other language can simply switch the pair of letters in between the numbrs by the wanted language code:
es for spanish, el for greek, fr for french, etc.
On page 11, table 1 it describes what is considered "graffiti" or "stain" and on page 12, points 2 & 3, how much of it is suitable for circulating notes.
About graffiti, it states very clearly that
"At present there is no mandatory requirement to detect graffiti".
Then: is it recommendable to stamp banknotes or not?
My humble opinion says YES. Off course, not any kind of mark or stamp. The "stain" descrition says that bills bearing a stain larger than 9x9 mm on non printed area or 15x15 on printed areas make them unsuitable. I'm sorry for "ricccc", but his BIDI has two major problems: it is too big for a non printed area, and it is on the watermark, wich is one of the safety features.
A banknote has a cost. A fiver costs 30 cts and it will not be retired if it is in good condition. Graffited bills are not eligible for destruction, and graffiting old ones just because "they will be destroyed in any case" is a loss of time. Their lifespan is shorter, but not because of any stamp: simply because they are old...
For "kevinmichiels" I'd say I got a stamp with the legend http://www.eurobilltracker.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.wheresgeorge.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for free with a vistaprint professional cards order.
BUT:
I DO NOT use it on the watermark or on any of the safety features, like coincident printings, microletterings, EURION constellation (see wikipedia) or sensible areas. You can tell me that Europe map is printed with UV-ink visible under black light, but it is a uniform printing that gets not covered or de-inked.
It looks like this:
Before I discovered threads on stamped bills or I had ever imagined of taking pictures of them, I came across a 100€ bill with a huge 50ct coin size blue round stamp that read clearly "BAR DE ÁNGEL - Aragó 49, BARCELONA" in the middle of the reverse. Looking at that stamp, ink had been for a veeeery longtime on that banknote. And had not been retired.
One last thing:
Humbly again, my advice is to upload pictues to EBT. It is easy to do using the "Upload attached file" link right below the writing case, next to the "Options" one, that appears when you "Answer" in the forum. External servers not always accept hotlinking and personal fils disappear whe one changes operator. On EBT server they are permanently there, regardless of personal adresses. And to any picture, if you have the opportunity, resample it to 850 pixels width so it fits in the column. And also, if you click on an uploaded picture, it appears whole on screen.
Sorry if I wrote too much.
Jordi.
Let me introduce myself briefly.
My name is Jordi and I am a taxi driver in Barcelona. I heard about EBT once on the radio, I looked after it, and since I registered none of a banknote that has been in my hands has missed its corresponding log.
A colleague mentioned a thread on stamped notes, and here I am.
I would like to END DEFINITIVELY (and I am emphasizing, not shouting) with the legend that stamped banknotes are retierd from circulation .
http://www.ecb.int/ecb/legal/pdf/l_2672 ... 010020.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is ECB website and describes suitable and unsuitable banknotes accordin to their shape, dirtyness and "graffiti" (funny name). They call it "Επιζωγραφισμένο" (χαρτονόμησμα) in greek and "inscripciones" in spanish.
Whoever whises to read it in any other language can simply switch the pair of letters in between the numbrs by the wanted language code:
es for spanish, el for greek, fr for french, etc.
On page 11, table 1 it describes what is considered "graffiti" or "stain" and on page 12, points 2 & 3, how much of it is suitable for circulating notes.
About graffiti, it states very clearly that
"At present there is no mandatory requirement to detect graffiti".
Then: is it recommendable to stamp banknotes or not?
My humble opinion says YES. Off course, not any kind of mark or stamp. The "stain" descrition says that bills bearing a stain larger than 9x9 mm on non printed area or 15x15 on printed areas make them unsuitable. I'm sorry for "ricccc", but his BIDI has two major problems: it is too big for a non printed area, and it is on the watermark, wich is one of the safety features.
A banknote has a cost. A fiver costs 30 cts and it will not be retired if it is in good condition. Graffited bills are not eligible for destruction, and graffiting old ones just because "they will be destroyed in any case" is a loss of time. Their lifespan is shorter, but not because of any stamp: simply because they are old...
For "kevinmichiels" I'd say I got a stamp with the legend http://www.eurobilltracker.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; http://www.wheresgeorge.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for free with a vistaprint professional cards order.
BUT:
I DO NOT use it on the watermark or on any of the safety features, like coincident printings, microletterings, EURION constellation (see wikipedia) or sensible areas. You can tell me that Europe map is printed with UV-ink visible under black light, but it is a uniform printing that gets not covered or de-inked.
It looks like this:
Before I discovered threads on stamped bills or I had ever imagined of taking pictures of them, I came across a 100€ bill with a huge 50ct coin size blue round stamp that read clearly "BAR DE ÁNGEL - Aragó 49, BARCELONA" in the middle of the reverse. Looking at that stamp, ink had been for a veeeery longtime on that banknote. And had not been retired.
One last thing:
Humbly again, my advice is to upload pictues to EBT. It is easy to do using the "Upload attached file" link right below the writing case, next to the "Options" one, that appears when you "Answer" in the forum. External servers not always accept hotlinking and personal fils disappear whe one changes operator. On EBT server they are permanently there, regardless of personal adresses. And to any picture, if you have the opportunity, resample it to 850 pixels width so it fits in the column. And also, if you click on an uploaded picture, it appears whole on screen.
Sorry if I wrote too much.
Jordi.
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Re: Stamped notes
maarsy wrote:has any one tried the microwave test yet ?
What's the microwave test? Can you explain it please?
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Re: Stamped notes
I realized that all th banknotes printed after plates 43, 44, 45 & 46 of FNMT have a capital letter "O" instead of the normal number "0".rideneverdies wrote:Hi there, I know this is not a stamped note but I find this thread pretty much alive and there is no better thread to post my finding.
Is the MO44 code on the right side an error? There is a banknote with a usual printer code (with 0, zero) on the left side.
http://ca.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=126609790" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Stamped notes
Continuing with stamps on notes, our american "sister" website, WsG, used to sell stamps encouraging banknote tracking.
There are some nice examples, one of them a stamp with some rectangles that indicate serialnumber and year series:
but there are some excessive examples:
Laws concerning banknote printing in US just say "The law defines 'illegal' defacement as defacement that renders bills unfit to be re-issued"
So, even dolar6 banknote is not retired of circulation. And this is not the worse I've seen...
There are some nice examples, one of them a stamp with some rectangles that indicate serialnumber and year series:
but there are some excessive examples:
Laws concerning banknote printing in US just say "The law defines 'illegal' defacement as defacement that renders bills unfit to be re-issued"
So, even dolar6 banknote is not retired of circulation. And this is not the worse I've seen...
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Re: Stamped notes
Finally, some banknotes that I have had in my hands:
This one was together with another three, but was the only one where the stamp was readable. It reads AUTRORIZADO ADMINISTRACIÓN. The bill had also handwritten by a non-skilled adult a few times all around, the text "PARA TITA ANA CON AMOR Y PAZ" (for aunt Ana with love and peace) and this Ana or nephew maybe living in a country with a strong control over foreign currency import/export: This one is quite a typical one, and it is said to count amounts of banknotes: This one is a triple crime:
This one was together with another three, but was the only one where the stamp was readable. It reads AUTRORIZADO ADMINISTRACIÓN. The bill had also handwritten by a non-skilled adult a few times all around, the text "PARA TITA ANA CON AMOR Y PAZ" (for aunt Ana with love and peace) and this Ana or nephew maybe living in a country with a strong control over foreign currency import/export: This one is quite a typical one, and it is said to count amounts of banknotes: This one is a triple crime:
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Re: Stamped notes
And th next ones are from exchange offices. They use these little chopmarks to identify the banknotes they trade in case of customer claims.
Remember that clicking on the photo makes it appear completely.
I got the 50er from a "normal" passenger,
But the 20ers were given to me by colombian passengers, in both cases, that had bought Euros in Bogotá:
Remember that clicking on the photo makes it appear completely.
I got the 50er from a "normal" passenger,
But the 20ers were given to me by colombian passengers, in both cases, that had bought Euros in Bogotá:
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Re: Stamped notes
Finally something that is not a stamp, but (luckily for me) got off the quality controls. I don't even know if it has any remarkable value...
I insist: please upload pictures resamplered to 850 pixels width to EBT server. It is the only way you guarantee they will not disappear.
And remember that clicking on the image makes it full frame.
Best regards to everybody.
Jordi.
I insist: please upload pictures resamplered to 850 pixels width to EBT server. It is the only way you guarantee they will not disappear.
And remember that clicking on the image makes it full frame.
Best regards to everybody.
Jordi.
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Re: Stamped notes
Wow, nice series of posts there, entertaining and informative.
That "defective" one is truly remarkable. 
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Re: Stamped notes
Hello everybody.
I know this bill is not stamped. I have been looking where to show it, but I haven't been able to find an appropriate thread to show it.
https://ca.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=127846502" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Today I have been given a real surprise.
If anyone knows what value it can have, if any, could kindly write any comment, please?
No mistake. It was a Norwegian family with a fantastic English, fluent and natural.
We did have abosolutely NO communication problem. Not a misunderstanding possibility. No mistake. Conversation has been complete, clear and fluent.
They paid me with a
. Printing condition. Uncirculated. Ink-smelling.
Perfect, except because one of them took it off his shirt pocket and was not absolutely "plate". But does not have any foldings. NOTHING.
Then I realized.
I asked them for the origin of the banknote. If they had been in the euro area before. If they had kept it from a previous trip.
All the answers negative. The definitive sentence was "WE GOT IT THIS MORNING IN OSLO".
Yes, dear EBTer collagues:
This bill HAS BEEN PUT INTO CIRCULATION TODAY IN OSLO, Norge. Pity I didn't ask if they had more...
Remember that clicking on the photo makes it appear complete. The coin is for keeping the banknote folded without marking it.
I think it was not printed before 2002. It is actually plate #10, but in any case it carries Wim Duisenberg's signature, meaning that it has been for quite a few years in the bottom of a safe in an exchange office in Oslo.
I know this bill is not stamped. I have been looking where to show it, but I haven't been able to find an appropriate thread to show it.
https://ca.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=127846502" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Today I have been given a real surprise.
If anyone knows what value it can have, if any, could kindly write any comment, please?
No mistake. It was a Norwegian family with a fantastic English, fluent and natural.
We did have abosolutely NO communication problem. Not a misunderstanding possibility. No mistake. Conversation has been complete, clear and fluent.
They paid me with a
Perfect, except because one of them took it off his shirt pocket and was not absolutely "plate". But does not have any foldings. NOTHING.
Then I realized.
I asked them for the origin of the banknote. If they had been in the euro area before. If they had kept it from a previous trip.
All the answers negative. The definitive sentence was "WE GOT IT THIS MORNING IN OSLO".
Yes, dear EBTer collagues:
This bill HAS BEEN PUT INTO CIRCULATION TODAY IN OSLO, Norge. Pity I didn't ask if they had more...
Remember that clicking on the photo makes it appear complete. The coin is for keeping the banknote folded without marking it.
I think it was not printed before 2002. It is actually plate #10, but in any case it carries Wim Duisenberg's signature, meaning that it has been for quite a few years in the bottom of a safe in an exchange office in Oslo.
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i belive in ireland the same was happening about duisenberg
showing up unc
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Re: Stamped notes
Again a bill that does not have any mark. It is not a very old one, but it has been heavily folded and stored in a humid place.
It is this one
Remember that you can upload images with the "upload attachment" button below the writing box, and that if you click on an image it apears complete.
Jordi.
It is this one
Remember that you can upload images with the "upload attachment" button below the writing box, and that if you click on an image it apears complete.
Jordi.
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Re: Stamped notes
JordiJanTaxi wrote:I realized that all th banknotes printed after plates 43, 44, 45 & 46 of FNMT have a capital letter "O" instead of the normal number "0".rideneverdies wrote:Hi there, I know this is not a stamped note but I find this thread pretty much alive and there is no better thread to post my finding.
Is the MO44 code on the right side an error? There is a banknote with a usual printer code (with 0, zero) on the left side.
On topic:CNGL wrote:Allnotes of the Spanish sheets from M043 to M046 have an O instead of a zero, it's a printing mistake that seems to have been fixed for the M047 sheet...

"Banco" something.
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Re: Stamped notes
This one carries two small chopmarks of those said to be of an exchange office.
Now it has mine, too...
It is this one
Remember that click on the image makes it appear complete.
Now it has mine, too...
It is this one
Remember that click on the image makes it appear complete.
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