Attention Thomas Hagemann

Post by **Craco** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 1:54 pm

Dear Thomas,

There are different good ways of promoting your website. Posting 3 messages in different threads on our board with links to your site is NOT one of them. This will be considered as SPAM.

Therefore i will moderate your posts and delete the links. Consider this as a warning. Next time you'll post with a link, your post will be deleted.

As such this will be policy on the forum. Since this is the second time that a competitor-site is posting links on our forum, I will delete the link the first time. Next time it occurres I will delete the complete post. I don't have a problem with competition, but i have a problem with people posting here, with the goal to advertise for their eurotracking-site. That's just too easy..

Greetzz,

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 6:27 pm

Seems to me a quite uncool way to deal with competitors. You are already far ahead of other websites and you have a big variety of users. So it is probably this site where eurobill tracking really takes place. Still it is always interesting to see what others offer. I think you can look at these competitors quite calmly. My proposal: Create a "links" page with all these other tracking sites. I have looked on your competitors and after that I surely will stay with eurobilltracker - it's just the best site.
Reading these advertising messages in the forum is quite annoying, I agree with you if you kick them out. I propose the "links" page because it will make these advertising posts unnecessary.

bhoeyb · Post by **bhoeyb** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 7:26 pm

Donald wrote: I have looked on your competitors and after that I surely will stay with eurobilltracker - it's just the best site.
Reading these advertising messages in the forum is quite annoying, I agree with you if you kick them out. I propose the "links" page because it will make these advertising posts unnecessary.

I agree with Donald. A link page is probably the best way to deal with them. And if they have a link page too, a link to this site will change people's mind

. Anyway, this site is the best

BYE

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:08 pm

Dear craco,

when we (my son, my daughter and myself :-) set up our site, which I won't mention here, we had sometimes vistors advertizing eurobilltracker in a way you seem to consider here as SPAM. After a while, one of eurobilltracker's webmasters (Phillipe) sent me an email asking whether we should cooperate. Since our site is the only site dealing both in euro notes and coins, Phillipe kindly proposed that I concentrate on coins and he on notes. Phillipe offered to put on eurobilltracker a link to my site, if and when I close the note section.

Talking this thru with my kids I decided to offer instead to "pool" the notes in the sense of inserting the notes of one's own site into the other's database. I guess we could find an automatic procedure for that.

I made this proposal because I want to provide some more statistics about (coins and) notes like cross tables showing note country (i.e. serial number's first letter) by country where note was found, or note country by printer etc. These kind of information I don't find on eurobilltracker. Therefore I hesitate to scrap my note section. Furthermore we have more information about notes (and coins) with nice pictures - like those of the location of the small printer small code (digitally processed by my daughter). We could not find on eurobilltracker this kind of information, either.

That's the status of our negotiation. What do users of eurobilltracker think about that?

I didn't intend to SPAM your site, but just to show with specific examples that our site actually has richer information. Sure it's obvious that our site has only a tiny database of less than 2000 notes and 500 coins and the site is still under construction. Therefore, we are no threat to the admirably large eurobilltracker.

Best regards to Phillipe,
Thomas from Bonn/Germany

micro · Post by **micro** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 10:50 pm

AFAIK there are more bill-tracking sites than these two. Considering the billions of bills being out there I think the sites should not compete but cooperate. You should develop a data exchange format in XML and integrate the data of all sites. Tracking would make even more fun then.

Post by **Craco** » Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:38 pm

Dear Thomas,

Thanks for your clarification. I'm the board admin and i was unaware of your discussion with the webmaster of Eurobilltracker.com.
I was just judging on facts: one post in the German thread on the 28th 2:24 am, on which i would have probably not reacted, but than on the 28th around 4pm you posted 2 more posts in the English board with links to your site. This looked very much like you were using the posts to advertise..

If you want to discuss this further with me and/or explore possibilities around cooperation of the two sites together with Philippe, i welcome your mail on boardadmin@eurobilltracker.com .

In the mean-time, i wish you (and your son and daugther) the best with your site and initiative for which i have a lot of respect.

Greetzz,

smh · Post by **smh** » Thu May 02, 2002 11:50 am

thomas wrote: Dear craco,

when we (my son, my daughter and myself set up our site, which I won't mention here, we had sometimes vistors advertizing eurobilltracker in a way you seem to consider here as SPAM. After a while, one of eurobilltracker's webmasters (Phillipe) sent me an email asking whether we should cooperate. Since our site is the only site dealing both in euro notes and coins, Phillipe kindly proposed that I concentrate on coins and he on notes. Phillipe offered to put on eurobilltracker a link to my site, if and when I close the note section.

Talking this thru with my kids I decided to offer instead to "pool" the notes in the sense of inserting the notes of one's own site into the other's database. I guess we could find an automatic procedure for that.

I made this proposal because I want to provide some more statistics about (coins and) notes like cross tables showing note country (i.e. serial number's first letter) by country where note was found, or note country by printer etc. These kind of information I don't find on eurobilltracker. Therefore I hesitate to scrap my note section. Furthermore we have more information about notes (and coins) with nice pictures - like those of the location of the small printer small code (digitally processed by my daughter). We could not find on eurobilltracker this kind of information, either.

That's the status of our negotiation. What do users of eurobilltracker think about that?

I didn't intend to SPAM your site, but just to show with specific examples that our site actually has richer information. Sure it's obvious that our site has only a tiny database of less than 2000 notes and 500 coins and the site is still under construction. Therefore, we are no threat to the admirably large eurobilltracker.

Best regards to Phillipe,
Thomas from Bonn/Germany

Like Craco said, he's not the admin of the tracking site, just of the forum.

There have been some problems with another tracking site were people were abusing this forum (not saying it was your site, i didn't see the messages) so i guess thats why Craco reacted this way.

Don't know if you followed what's going on on this site, but it really is a whole lot different compared to the beginning of this year. Things are added constantely all the time. It already takes Phillipe a lot of time just to maintain this site, let alone to add functionality so just like your site this site is still under construction, and probably will be for quite a while.

I agree that there isn't a lot of background information on this site, but i guess that's easy to add, guess we just have to help Phillipe a little.

Also the stats could be expanded, but it's already getting a lot better compared to earlier this year.

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Sat May 04, 2002 12:39 am

smh wrote: There have been some problems with another tracking site were people were abusing this forum (not saying it was your site, i didn't see the messages) so i guess thats why Craco reacted this way.

no, it wasn't me. When Philippe contacted me by email he told me that some french site would make some trouble here. That site (I forgot the URL) was not impressive in its layout, but it had more notes than ours :-( while it had no coins at all :-)

smh wrote: I agree that there isn't a lot of background information on this site, but i guess that's easy to add, guess we just have to help Phillipe a little.

Keeping it multilingual is not trivial, even if there are only four languages like in ours. But we have Esperanto and Europanto :-)

smh wrote: Also the stats could be expanded, but it's already getting a lot better compared to earlier this year.

Yes, I noticed that. I, too, have still to work a lot on the user friendliness of my site's statistics ...

So stay tuned :-)

Thomas