Which countries should be added to the database ?

BaliBennie · Post by **BaliBennie** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:46 am

Although I remembered the reason for this quite well, I also agree with Venga that the Netherlands Antilles is an independent country.
Aruba however has a special status in the kingdom but I think that should also be kept under Netherlands Antilles.

The overseas countries are nothing like provinces in the Netherlands. They have their own government, flag, laws etc.

They don't resemble French territories in any way. Those French are overseas territories, but are still a part of France.

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:56 pm

BaliBennie wrote: Aruba however has a special status in the kingdom but I think that should also be kept under Netherlands Antilles.

The overseas countries are nothing like provinces in the Netherlands. They have their own government, flag, laws etc.

They are not considered as part of the EU. They don't even use the euro.

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:44 pm

Olivier wrote:
BaliBennie wrote: Aruba however has a special status in the kingdom but I think that should also be kept under Netherlands Antilles.

The overseas countries are nothing like provinces in the Netherlands. They have their own government, flag, laws etc.
They are not considered as part of the EU. They don't even use the euro.

If that is the reason not to put the Netherlands Antilles into the list, then take
out Canada (and all other countries not using the euro)!

Venga · Post by **Venga** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:09 pm

BaliBennie wrote:I also agree with Venga that the Netherlands Antilles is an independent country. Aruba however has a special status in the kingdom but I think that should also be kept under Netherlands Antilles.

I disagree. There's the Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Olivier wrote:They are not considered as part of the EU. They don't even use the euro.

You can get euros everywhere. It would be nice to enter them with the right country.

avij · Post by **avij** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:10 pm

Venga wrote:I disagree. There's the Netherlands, Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

Considering that the "Dutch Government is responsible for defense and foreign affairs" for all of them, I don't think they're eligible for a country status in EBT. My reference is Wikipedia's list of countries.

Venga wrote:No main reason to convince anyone, but every website where you have to select a country has also these two in it's list. So eh, EBT knows better??

Dunno, perhaps every Dutch website does that

. I remembered that claim today when I browsed the web today for other reasons, and none of the country listings I saw had an entry for Netherlands Antilles or Aruba. Granted, the sample size was small (just 5), but still..

We also don't list England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland even though they have their own flags. The same goes to Finnish island group Ahvenanmaa (Åland) which also has its own flag and is pretty much autonomous. I'm sure there are lots of similar examples.

Senior · Post by **Senior** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:02 am

avij wrote:We also don't list England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland even though they have their own flags.

In the Netherlands each province and each province capital have their own flag (link) but except for those of Amsterdam (Dutch capital) and Friesland (a province, called a foreign nation by some) they are almost completely unknown.

The Netherlands, the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba are, as far as I understand it, 3 countries which together form the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Their status, compared to Britain, is a bit like the various countries of the Commonwealth.
But since it's the location of the bill that counts instead of the country that location is in, I wouldn't bother to much about this issue.
Greetings,

Senior

Viperazzi · Post by **Viperazzi** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:23 am

I second Senior. You can enter those bills. The dots will be shown on the map. What is the problem?

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:06 pm

the Netherlands Antilles is a own country, I think it must be entered in the database, because it is a country like all the other countries.
It is not a part of the Netherlands.

Venga · Post by **Venga** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:00 pm

Ralf wrote:the Netherlands Antilles is a own country, I think it must be entered in the database, because it is a country like all the other countries.
It is not a part of the Netherlands.

Thanks for your support Ralf, but I think avij made his decision already.

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:42 pm

Venga wrote:
Ralf wrote:the Netherlands Antilles is a own country, I think it must be entered in the database, because it is a country like all the other countries.
It is not a part of the Netherlands.
Thanks for your support Ralf, but I think avij made his decision already.

I think all dutch people know it

But people from other country's not

avij · Post by **avij** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:29 am

Ralf wrote:I think all dutch people know it
But people from other country's not

It's not about "knowing" it, it's a matter of definition. If some other country manages the foreign affairs of some other country, that country isn't really independent, is it?

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:28 pm

Indonesia was also a part of The Netherlands many years ago but they are also in the list.

avij · Post by **avij** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:52 pm

Ralf wrote:Indonesia was also a part of The Netherlands many years ago but they are also in the list.

The key words here are: was -- we're living in present time -- and many years ago -- more than 50 years ago if I'm not mistaken.

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:58 pm

And why don't use the Netherlands Antilles than the euro?

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:53 pm

Elmo wrote:
Olivier wrote:
BaliBennie wrote: Aruba however has a special status in the kingdom but I think that should also be kept under Netherlands Antilles.

The overseas countries are nothing like provinces in the Netherlands. They have their own government, flag, laws etc.
They are not considered as part of the EU. They don't even use the euro.
If that is the reason not to put the Netherlands Antilles into the list, then take
out Canada (and all other countries not using the euro)!

I was supporting you... But I think I agree with Avij, now!