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[Guest]

Dakkus and Pimpe have said it all.

What a timing for this farce, at Christmas of all times

[Fons]

There's 1 thing I like to see.

Shake hands, and let this mess finish. So we can continue EBT again like it was before 24/12

[jack_isidore]

for me it turns out, that giro simply didn't want to cooperate with his two other partners. since with 3 persons there is always 1 left in a quarrel, it seems that giro was alone in his postition.

the big mistake of giro is to forget all the users to keep the project alive. it is simply not reasonable to regard all of us in a way like a farmer regards on his sheeps.

so many users in the forum want to have an unified ebt, me too. but realisticly it is a personal question of sympathy/non-sympathy between the proponents. there is no place for logic arguments anymore. it's like a divorce of the parents and the kids desperately shout on them to talk together once again.

let me stay on this metaphor and imagine what real parents would try: the would go for mediation to a third, neutral person who tries to reunite different possitions so nobody looses it's face. but this would require a goodwill from both sides.

[Nerzhul]

This is actually what's currently happening. Some users of the "first generation" are in contact with Philippe and us. Let's see if we can find a compromise.

If everything fails the current plan is to found a non-profit association and put EBT on its own feet (or in the hands of the community, if you prefer this analogy).

[yoto]

I also think that this shouldn't be for choosing sides. Might sound stupid, as I have in one way chosen a side by tracking bills in .eu

However, what I want to say, is that it is a shame, that people stop tracking bills for this.
My tracking is for me only, the situation is bad and nasty, but I try to keep out from it and contiune tracking bills as usual, enjoying the hobby, not deal with the problems the site is facing.

I hope and I believe, that in the end, there will be just one site. is it .com or .eu, I don't care, what I hope, is that people contiune tracking bills and finally the 2 sites will merge, every note counts, no matter if it was put into .com or .eu

So keep tracking the bills, show everyone that we are one, that this is a passionate hobby.

[Elmo]

But until then, no more bills from me, on either site or side. EBT is not about "sides".

This is the last thing EBT can use at this moment: active users quitting EBT. EBT has had so many problems these days, and when users start quitting EBT it may be the end of EBT. It shouldn't be about choosing sides, so I call for all EBT'ers to keep on entering bills, regardless whether it is at .com or at .eu. I am confident that Philippe, Anssi and Marko will come to a solution, and that there will be only one EBT in the near future. I fully second yoto.

[Guest]

I guess that recent problems with EBT can be called in as a reason for ppl who are tired from entering bills .

[Kleman]

in 2007
I've lost my job
I've lost my flat
I've lost my heart
I've even lost my country

I don't want to lose EBT too

[Dakkus]

EDIT: People seem to get angry after reading this post, so here's a pretext: This post's main point is that we are now in peace. It does mention there's been a war (I could also have used the word "fight"), but the very most important point is that we are now in peace. The post also tried to play a bit with fantasy-book like wording just for fun. It appears that those parts are the ones that annoy people the most. Damnit. But, such is life
Now here's the actual post (which means the edit ends here)

You're not gonna lose EBT.
Look at http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/notes/?command=8;tab=2 .
You can see that our note entry amounts have reached the amount before the split.

Then look at http://www.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?command=8;tab=2 .
There you can see that in .com the royalists have yesterday entered only a bit over 25% of the normal amount. That's a huge drop!

The war is over and the alliance has won over the czar. The czar still sits in a throne room, but that is a room full of charred black colour of the war's destruction.
Peace is upon us, although sadly many members of alliance still spend their time harassing the czar's poor followers. Now the only thing we need to do is reunite our people to feel one once again. Peace is upon us and in a while also czar will swallow his pride and come back among his people as he was in the old Days of Foundation. These should be days of jubilation, my comrade! You can see the tide of horror turning away from us and the cleaning work has already been carried out with very good results

And, though I said royalists have entered the 25%: In reality even they are entered by pacifists - some exceptions aside, they all also enter in .eu. The notes entered by true royalists amount only something like 1% of the old numbers. That's quite the same as lim x closes zero

[de-jo]

Dakkus!
May I ask you to stop talking about wars and so on!
There is only 1 big user here and this is the EBT community.
Ok notes are entered and I don't care where and how.
But what I know for sure is that some heavy users also are not entering notes anymore and that to much users are turning their back to a bunch of quarrel makers!
So please, as we are looking for a peacefull sollution and a long-term sollution, stop putting oil on the fire!
Thanks!

[Kleman]

yep
for me, the war is going to be over only when www.eurobilltracker.com and www.eurobilltracker.eu urls go to one EBT website
and I hope it will be soon
this war makes many civilian and innocent deads

I really don't care who's right

[snakefire77]

When you pay €200 to keep someone else's site alive, you're more than a simple volunteer. I cannot understand that Giro is still getting all this support for doing virtually nothing!

O.o Avij didn't want any money for it in the first place, so it's kinda weird if he would start to complain about it now don't you think.
Furthermore, who is to say that EBT is the only thing running on that server. One could easily have several paying sites on the server or the server could already be in use for other personel reasons. If I lend you a room in my house that I didn't use, wouldn't you think it strange if I dangled the whole household bill in front of you.

[EuroBillTracker]

Dakkus, what a wonderful post explaining how this is all a misunderstanding of the status of the site (and yes, I am very sincere). Too bad your last post was not in the same vein.

Ok to put it shortly : I created a site. People used it. A community that I wished not to lead, control or guide flourished on this forum (a personnal choice) . This community used the site.
One day, members of the community with high status encouraged users to go to another site. So
i) they must take responsibility for splitting the community
ii) the people who hosted the site previously may not simply take the whole database of 100.000+ users and start using it as is : the "movers" must move their own notes; so if 3749 people move to EU, you will have the notes of those people. Assuming, they have all entered 100.000 notes, the total still amounts to less than the 38.000.000 notes you have on *.eu.

To put it simply, even though you are the loudest, you are not the majority. There are over 100.000 users which are not on the forum discussing the issue here.
I understand your thinking, I know how anarchists think. I am not an anarchist so I can only disagree with you and protect myself from people like you and their emotional reactions. Thus my fait-accomplis in moving the hosting.

So yes, this seems to be a difference in cultures and backgrounds. It shows even in the way the forums are split : apparently south-european forums are not reacting the same way north-europeans are.

PS: let's not start a discussion about politics ok ? We have enough to work with...

[wisi]

Well, Giro: Have a look on the users active on the .com and on the .eu page. .com had 799 entering bills yesterday. .eu had 1789. these numbers can be found here. Thus you obviously don"t have a silent minority behind you as try to conclude in your statement.

[jovada]

When you pay €200 to keep someone else's site alive, you're more than a simple volunteer. I cannot understand that Giro is still getting all this support for doing virtually nothing!

O.o Avij didn't want any money for it in the first place, so it's kinda weird if he would start to complain about it now don't you think.

I don't know for sure off course, but I can believe that only EBT can cost up to € 200 per month, apart from any other sites that Avij me be running. And who said he's complaining? I doubt he is or was. I was just emphasizing the fact that he has paid a good deal of money for keeping EBT online.