Incorrect dots and inaccuracies among city profiles

[de*lerger]

btw there's a typo, it's Biancavilla instead of Biancaville (that sounds French )

changed it

Also found the other missing dot: Ponte Novu on Corsica, 42,4833, 9,2833
(and I know it's usually written as Ponte Nuovo, but I just used the name that's on the village sign and the railroad station )

[androl]

I use another method to determine if something is a seperate village or a suburb. I take a look at googlemaps

I don't really trust the GooleMaps maps.

you can trust Google Maps 100% about whether there is a "natural separation" between two named settlements, just look at the satellite images
but the question here is, what is a "city profile"? If you define city profiles in your countries by naturally separated villages, there will always be problems and incertain cases. How many meters of grassland must be between two settlements to get their own city profiles? If you don't trust Google Maps, how else do you define villages?

[yli]

I use viamichelin, a much better map - including borders of villages

[androl]

including borders of villages

"villages" have borders? I see the borders, but what is it what you see there? In Germany it is the Gemeinden. In the Netherlands I don't know. Stiphout (gemeente until 1968) is part of Helmond, but Lieshout, Aarle-Rixtel and Beek en Donk (gemeentes until 1997, now gemeente Laarbeek) are separate. I think there is no official level below gemeentes in the Netherlands. Could it be that viamichelin is out of date?
There are countries that use the official lowest-level structures with defined borders for the city profiles, while other countries seem to use "villages" without clear area, depending on names, road signs, meters of grassland or sense. In Belgium, the municipalities will be one of the new to-be-created subdivisions on EBT. How do you represent the gemeentes in the Netherlands?

[claudio vda]

Hallo! There is a location missing

Monteroni d'Arbia (a municipality in the department of Siena, Italy), zip code = 53014
http://it.eurobilltracker.com/profile/?city=62793" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Coordinates of Monteroni d'Arbia are 43°13' 46" N ; 11° 25' 20" E

Many thanks!

[R/J]

while other countries seem to use "villages" without clear area, depending on names, road signs, meters of grassland or sense.

I think yli is referring to determining to what village the rural areas 'belong'. The villages themselves are generally indicated very clearly (with signs like these), but there is generally no sign in the rural area to indicate you are moving from one village to the other.

[yli]

I entered some new locations in Luxembourg this weekend :

9378 Friidhaff 49.88598,6.136723
(municipality Diekirch - kanton Diekirch - district Diekirch)
9366 Neimillen 49.838522,6.224742
(municipality Ermsdorf - kanton Diekirch - district Diekirch)
7440 Lintgen 49.722385,6.124256
(municipality Lintgen - kanton Mersch - district Luxembourg)
4994 Schouweiler 49.580014,5.957315
(municipality Dippach - kanton Capellen - district Luxembourg)
9144 Hierheck 49.873958,5.9303
(minicipality Heiderscheid - kanton Wiltz - district Diekirch)

I don't want to continue the GoogleMaps discussion, but R/J was right. For determine rural areas (and petrolstations at the highway) it's impossible to use GoogleMaps. And sometimes even the other side of the street can be an other place, like in Platen / Bettborn were I was last weekend.

[claudio vda]

Hallo! There is a location missing

Now it is ok. Thanks!

[groentje]

while other countries seem to use "villages" without clear area, depending on names, road signs, meters of grassland or sense.

I think yli is referring to determining to what village the rural areas 'belong'. The villages themselves are generally indicated very clearly (with signs like these), but there is generally no sign in the rural area to indicate you are moving from one village to the other.

In Belgium, often there is, the red lined, yellow plates with the name of the village (and to wich municipality it belongs) in black. These plates are on the (former) municipality borders.

[androl]

I think yli is referring to determining to what village the rural areas 'belong'. The villages themselves are generally indicated very clearly (with signs like these), but there is generally no sign in the rural area to indicate you are moving from one village to the other.

I use the word "village" or "settlement" for a group of houses and streets that have road signs like you mention at the beginning and at the end, but that do not have a defined rural area around them with borders. A defined area with borders, that normally has a village or a city with the same name in the center, but can also have two or more villages, like you see at viamichelin, is something administrative, it can be called gemeente (nl), Gemeinde (de,at), municipality, naselje (si), anything.
In the rural area, you are not in a village, but you are in an area belonging to an administrative unit. I just wanted to ask, if yli says that Dutch city profiles are representing the units that you see at viamichelin (do they? do you have any rules at all, or am I entering "new land" with my questions?), what these areas actually are.
In Germany we use the Gemeinden for city profiles. Often, in some areas, Gemeinden usually have several villages in them and are only an administrative thing, while in other areas, Gemeinden are 1:1 with villages.

[yli]

It's getting totally off-topic. But there aren't any specific rules. The municipalities in The Netherlands can make their own desission to put blue or white road signs marking a city, town or village.

[groentje]

In the Netherlands, as well as in Belgium, houses such as farms that are not inside the village, still belong to a very distinct place, you can call it a village, or a 'deelgemeente' in Dutch, and mostly, it's a former municipality that merged with other former municipalities in a new one. Borders aren't always very clear, but mostly, you will find a name sign at the border.

[androl]

It's getting totally off-topic

oh I'm sorry, what could be more off-topic than talking about definition of city profiles in a topic about city profiles?

deelgemeente' in Dutch, and mostly, it's a former municipality that merged with other former municipalities in a new one

thanks for the explanation,
I think I leave it to you to decide if you want to use deelgemeentes, places with road signs or just one profile for any named settlement (as it's of course not my job to tell you anything)
and what exactly Viamichelin is showing - they show more areas than before the formation of Laarbeek in 1997 (as they also show Mariahout which belonged to Lieshout), but less than the profiles on EBT (there are profiles for Keldonkand Boerdonkwhich belong to Erp on Viamichelin, although they are clearly away from Erp) - who cares

[R/J]

Could Zeilberg (example note) be unmerged from Deurne? I agree that the situation is somewhat vague, but almost a year ago the community of Deurne has placed blue village signs for Zeilberg. I think this should be enough to qualify for a separate EBT-profile.

[dserrano5]

(Originally posted here). The maps for this hit show a horizontal arrow that comes from the left edge of the image, instead of having the right source (Brasilia).