Suspicious notes and users

[helloggs]

This was discussed some time ago:

Vielleicht sollte ich meine Daten löschen lassen

Hier unterscheiden sich EBT und ET: bei EBT gibt es user, die "ihre" Scheine eintragen. Bei ET gibt es Scheine, die von einem seiner zeitweiligen Besitzer (aber nicht Eigentümer) freundlicherweise eingetragen werden. Die Angaben Name, mail-Adresse, Stadt, Kommentar usw. sind nützliche, aber optionale Attribute eines Scheines.

Translation:
Helge: Maybe I should have my notes [at ET] deleted.
Thomas: That is the difference between EBT and ET: At EBT user enter 'their' notes. At ET there are notes which are courtesy of their temporary holder (but not owner). Name, mail-adress, city, comment are useful, but optional.


After I read this it was pretty clear to me that I will never enter anything to a site that has such a policy, regardless of the faking problem. So good luck with your Bundesdatenschutzgesetz...

[Klazu]

Mz-Money is a faker. Nothing but international hits for him. Not real.

[MZ-Money]

Mz-Money is a faker. Nothing but international hits for him. Not real.

How do you deduce??

I receive my notes almost exclusively from the Metro-financel-headquater in Kastel. This is the largest market for fresh commodity of the catering trade in the proximity of the European turntable airport Frankfurt with international public.

And you do not maintain something could be not real?

Who are you?

God?

All hits in the EBT with spanier_20, Schach, joergb30, androl, E-verzamelaar, HTTK, Helge, Angelino und magpie would have to be therefore fakes, since the notes are to be found also in the ET.

I think it´s time for an unreserved apology.

[debemaks]

Mz-Money is a faker. Nothing but international hits for him. Not real.

I don't know if he's a faker or not, but Masters my look if his hits came out from a serial tracking or not!

If so, Mz-Money is a faker, otherwise he's very lucky!

[Licht & Feuer]

All hits in the EBT with spanier_20, Schach, joergb30, androl, E-verzamelaar, HTTK, Helge, Angelino und magpie would have to be therefore fakes, since the notes are to be found also in the ET.

So you seem to know the ET-community quiet well
Sorry, I find it to hard to believe that somebody should have so many hits with ET-notes from all over the world - and only active (which means that the note was entered by the ET-user first).

I don't know if he's a faker or not, but Masters my look if his hits came out from a serial tracking or not!

Yes but please keep in mind that these serials where maybe not entered together to prevent the obvious "hit into consecutive serials".

[androl]

Mz-Money has entered over 8000 notes in the last three months. So it's not suspicious that he has more active than passive hits.
those international hits are really notable, but I don't think ET is his source, he also has international hits with other users, you only took 5 of his 14 hits, I don't think it's that suspicious that 6 of 14 hits are with ET users. There has to be more evidence to call him a faker.
Evidence would be for example if someone found out that someone uses the same tricks as Kredithai, but this hasn't been the case for Mz-Money until now.

[Licht & Feuer]

Mz-Money has entered over 8000 notes in the last three months. So it's not suspicious that he has more active than passive hits. those international hits are really notable, but I don't think ET is his source, he also has international hits with other users, you only took 5 of his 14 hits, I don't think it's that suspicious that 6 of 14 hits are with ET users.

I just took the hits I found at first attempt, there are probably more because some people seem to use different usernames at both tracking sites.
Entering many notes within a short time explains the "active only"-hits someway but even an "ET-hitrate" of nearly 50% is strange regarding the fact that EBT has >18 Million notes while ET has only 886.787 (and most probably not all of them are registered to EBT, too)!
It is hard to find a 100% evidence without having special access to the database but hopefully someone with that access will have a closer look on this (and the other similar cases) and decide.

[MZ-Money]

Yes but please keep in mind that these serials where maybe not entered together to prevent the obvious "hit into consecutive serials".

Can look one of the Webmaster into my data base around accused to weaken and me rehabilitate?

After such verbal attaken I have no more desire further notes to enter, although still several hundred wait here for it.

[Mr Euro]

@all

This topic is only to signal suspicious notes and users. There is no need to attack or give opinions about suspicious users or bills. Nor make this thread into a whitchhuntthread. In the end the moderators/webmasters will decide on each case what will happen: To moderate/not to moderate or to delete notes/users. Moderation and deletion decisions are based purely on clear facts, not on opinions.

Interesting hit(s) untill proven otherwise.... by hitmoderators or webmasters.

[joergb30]

Please delete the following entries from gille with "public serials" shown in my TV spot:

http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2717860
http://www.eurobilltracker.eu/index.php ... id=2717888

(see old discussion here)

[Licht & Feuer]

Yes but please keep in mind that these serials where maybe not entered together to prevent the obvious "hit into consecutive serials".

Can look one of the Webmaster into my data base around accused to weaken and me rehabilitate?
After such verbal attaken I have no more desire further notes to enter, although still several hundred wait here for it.

I feel very sorry if you feel attacked through my suspect about your hits and like to ensure you that it is absolutely not my intention to hurt you, I simply find it hard to believe that this all should be possible by pure accident regarding the arguments I tried to explain and which I still consider to be legitimate.
Though I understand that you'll maybe feel attacked by the discussion itself, please note that I didn't used any rude words or names against you.
But because you feel attacked anyway, I like to appologize sincerely for any bad feelings this situation and discussion caused for you and the fact that I am not yet convienced that I am wrong in the case didn’t affect my respect for you in any way.

It is always hard to post in this thread because it seems to be normal that the persons involved feel attacked by the discussion itself, on the other hand it is the only way to bring some light into such situations so what else should be done?

I absolutely agree to Mr.Euro and nothing else than to signal my suspect was and is my intention, sorry if things went a wrong way.
Maybe it would be better to PM or email notices like this to a special “fake-officer” which would keep things more discreet, on the other hand this is some kind of a game and discussions about supposed rule-violations should be possible without rude words and big emotions.

[hailtotheking]

Mz-Money is a faker. Nothing but international hits for him. Not real.

I think it´s time for an unreserved apology.

I'm still waiting for an public apology from Klazu!!

Or was your posting nothing more to create a smoke curtain for yourself??
Well I apologize therfor, but this posting with no grounds of
proven faking and w(h)ich is also incorrect, is in my opinion out
of the question!!

HTTK

[Klazu]

I'm sorry if your entries are honest (I guess you know this best). I'm still not convinced. I have seen all kind of things around here so I have my reasons for my opinion. It's just my opinion. No need to get mad about it.

@Licht & Feuer: You're doing nice job finding similarities between ET and EBT. That's something I'm not able to do so please, post us this information. It may prove to be important. I also agree that the odds in this case are quite suspicious...

Or was your posting nothing more to create a smoke curtain for yourself?

What does this mean? I don't understand the methafor here. If you're saying that I'm faking, then I'm amazed...

I'd say let's see what the future brings...

[DAVID & KATY]

What do you think about this 2 hits?
This is a recent user and as 178 notes 2 intenatinal hits (one is triple)
1º hit
2º hit

This hits i think is suspecious!

[Klazu]

@DAVID & KATY: The triple looks like it's ok. Many days and kilometres between users, which look ok by themselves. I still say it's way too good to be true. I just can't believe in such good luck. I'm sorry.