Suspicious notes and users

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:18 pm

Well; on-topic i get nothing done. I thought this was:
1. a piece of cake
2. a 1 2 3
3. een inkopper (that dutch) and means a not miss oppurtunity

Of all my hits only these 3 hits make me not pleasant.

Post by **Nerzhul** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:22 pm

Westinghouse wrote:Look at page 366 of this thread and everything is explained by erasmuston at December 16, 2006 at 23:07 for my first 2 hits with the person from Heerlen. Also page 367 on December 19, 2006 at 22:55 for my third "hit" with poepelie; also a remark made by erasmuston.

If this is not clear to the moderator(s) than in future i will retreat from the forum totally and only go off-topic.

Ok, thanks. I don't read this thread every day, so I miss a few posts every now and then. This is why it's important that all the information is included into "reminding" posts. I'm not against a post repeating a valid point from time to time, but if you do so, please provide ALL the evidence you have or at least point us into the right direction.

Chances are, if we haven't reacted to an incident yet then messages like "this hit is fake" or "this user hasn't been deleted yet" won't ring a bell.

Phaseolus · Post by **Phaseolus** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:01 pm

Nerzhul wrote:
Phaseolus wrote:It's a pity that Frencu users have to hide away under the name "guest" in order to transfer again and again this information.

I fully support "french guest" : these three accounts are proven fakers ; thank you in adavnce for your action on these three accounts.
Nobody has to "hide" as a guest in order to get a message across. If you have a point to make, please do so, either avij or I will eventually investigate.

But it helps tremendously if this point isn't encoded into a one-liner or a useless message though.

A posting such as

french guest wrote:francois_paris 0 note
chegevara 0 note
cybercl 0 note

but they are BIG FAKER
or the recent ones by Westinghouse will most likely be ignored since they carry little meaning. Instead, politely bring up your point and provide useful information.

What's so difficult about writing a normal message, such as "Hey Nerzhul, while you're at it, please investigate francois_paris. You can find the reason why I suspect him on page 241 of this thread. Thank you in advance, ZOZ".

I don't remember everything that has been posted here nor am I willing to spend my time investigating just because a name's been mentioned in this thread.

francois_paris :

http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... ris#245271
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... t=A#227629
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 582#227582

Che guevara :

http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 277#347277

Cybercl :

a lot of evidence in this thread that is nearly dedicated to him :
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 197#368197

And we have a new one : Paribasque

http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 568#379568 (only entering U/L bills

)

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:56 pm

The new entered bills of this user http://eurobilltracker.eu/profile/?user=73145 are all pairs:

For example:
2007-01-03 18:49:36 50 EURXxxxx1587xxx Rxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:36 50 EURXxxxx1587xxx Rxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:36 5 EURXxxxx1920xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:36 5 EURXxxxx1920xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:36 20 EURXxxxx8808xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:36 20 EURXxxxx8808xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:36 20 EURXxxxx2701xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURXxxxx2701xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURPxxxx1393xxx Gxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURPxxxx1393xxx Gxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURXxxxx3820xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURXxxxx3820xxx Pxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURUxxxx3560xxx Exxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURUxxxx3560xxx Exxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURVxxxx5627xxx Mxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 20 EURVxxxx5627xxx Mxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 10 EURXxxxx5590xxx Rxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)
2007-01-03 18:49:35 10 EURXxxxx5590xxx Rxxxxx Stuttgart ( Flag for Deutschland Deutschland, 70173)

Is this possible?

redrabbit · Post by **redrabbit** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:44 pm

I'm very happy to see that the database is cleaned again

Well done

hailtotheking · Post by **hailtotheking** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:54 pm

Guest wrote:The new entered bills of this user http://eurobilltracker.eu/profile/?user=73145 are all pairs:

Is this possible?

No this is not possible.

HTTK

ZOZ · Post by **ZOZ** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:16 pm

Phaseolus wrote: francois_paris :

http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... ris#245271
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... t=A#227629
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 582#227582

Che guevara :

http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 277#347277

Cybercl :

a lot of evidence in this thread that is nearly dedicated to him :
http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 197#368197

Et c'est pas d'hier que ces infos ont été données...

Phaseolus wrote: And we have a new one : Paribasque

http://forum.eurobilltracker.eu/viewtop ... 568#379568 (only entering U/L bills )

pour lui j'ai également trouvé ça en plus récent (a savoir que ses 850 billets sont en U/L) :

N° identique - Billets identiques - Date différente
2006-12-31 16:41:10

Uxxxx2272xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:28:05

Uxxxx2272xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2006-12-31 16:42:15

Uxxxx4883xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:27:41

Uxxxx4883xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

N° identique - Billets différent

- Date identique
2006-12-31 16:41:38

Uxxxx1045xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:41:38

Uxxxx1045xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2006-12-31 16:41:10

Uxxxx8368xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:41:38

Uxxxx8368xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2006-12-31 16:40:00

Uxxxx9556xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:42:15

Uxxxx9556xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

N° se suivant étrangement - Billets identiques - Date aléatoires
2006-12-31 16:40:00

Uxxxx0901xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:40:46

Uxxxx0914xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:42:15

Uxxxx0934xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2007-01-01 12:28:36

Uxxxx1418xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:40:46

Uxxxx1421xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:40:46

Uxxxx1440xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:28:57

Uxxxx1444xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2007-01-01 12:28:36

Uxxxx2882xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:41:10

Uxxxx2884xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2007-01-01 12:30:44

Uxxxx2919xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:28:36

Uxxxx2920xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:30:44

Uxxxx2953xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2007-01-01 12:27:41

Uxxxx5090xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:30:44

Uxxxx5098xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:28:05

Uxxxx5101xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:41:38

Uxxxx5102xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:40:18

Uxxxx5118xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2006-12-31 16:42:40

Uxxxx5290xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2007-01-01 12:28:36

Uxxxx5291xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:40:18

Uxxxx5300xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:40:00

Uxxxx5305xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2006-12-31 16:41:56

Uxxxx7946xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:41:10

Uxxxx7948xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2007-01-01 12:28:36

Uxxxx9293xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:41:10

Uxxxx9296xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:41:56

Uxxxx9303xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

2006-12-31 16:42:15

Uxxxx9642xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:42:40

Uxxxx9646xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)
2006-12-31 16:40:00

Uxxxx9650xxxLxxxxxParis ( France, 75007)

J'espère que nos grandes instances d'EBT en tirerons les conclusions qui s'imposent, car je trouve déja dommage que l'on soit obliger de détailler les méthodes de trucages des tricheurs sur un topic public, ce qui a mon sens ne fait que renseigner les tricheurs sur les méthodes de détections employées et leur permet de pofiner leur méthodes de trucage (en France nous en avons eu l'exemple avec "cybercl")... Alors si en plus ça ne sert a rien d'autre....

Asiamaniac · Post by **Asiamaniac** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:20 pm

Please - it is better to communicate here in English. Not everybody speaks French here

S'il te plaît - c'est mieux de communiquer ici en Anglais. Pas tout le monde ici parle le Francais.

Thank you / Merci

Phaseolus · Post by **Phaseolus** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:28 pm

Asiamaniac wrote:Please - it is better to communicate here in English. Not everybody speaks French here

S'il te plaît - c'est mieux de communiquer ici en Anglais. Pas tout le monde ici parle le Francais.

Thank you / Merci

dear Asiamaniac,

a few months ago, a "suspicious players"-topic was open on the French forum ; I was asked not allow this type of topic as this topic existed here. I accepted to restrict the activities of the French topic, under the condition that people could post here in their own language.

ZOZ post is straight foward : look at the serials and the dates...

ZOZ · Post by **ZOZ** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:01 pm

Asiamaniac wrote:Please - it is better to communicate here in English. Not everybody speaks French here

S'il te plaît - c'est mieux de communiquer ici en Anglais. Pas tout le monde ici parle le Francais.

Thank you / Merci

sorry i not know it only english topic, but Nerzhul want explication and i dont speek english well so i post in french my explication but i dont make again if you want.

Asiamaniac · Post by **Asiamaniac** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:07 pm

@Phaseolus and ZOZ: Sorry, I did not know that. After all most important is indeed that fakers are tracked down and that evidence is presented. I certainly do not want to discriminate against fellow trackies due to language barriers.

My thought, however, was that everybody should have the same access to all information given and that everybody can read what is written here. I remember some contributions here in German which are by no way clear to those who do not speak our language. Probably not so fun for fellow-trackies from outside Germany and Austria.

This is what I thought of but I do not want to offend a dear fellow-trackie.

Nomen Nescio · Post by **Nomen Nescio** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:29 pm

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:47 pm

Have you ever thought why these cheaters bother to play such stupid game of greating false information and thus fake hits. Is it funny or what? I don't see any point in there. And many of them spend hours, days, weeks or even months to repeat this. If that's not a mark of stupidity or someone being very very bored and completely without a life, then what?

I'm really amazed how many cheaters we continue having. I know it's a huge community, but still.

One thing is for sure with all of them: they will be all eventually deleted (every "accomplishment" they done is erased) and nobody remembers them after that. Nobody.

avij · Post by **avij** » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:53 pm

Klazu wrote:Have you ever thought why these cheaters bother to play such stupid game of greating false information and thus fake hits. Is it funny or what? I don't see any point in there. And many of them spend hours, days, weeks or even months to repeat this. If that's not a mark of stupidity or someone being very very bored and completely without a life, then what?

I'm really amazed how many cheaters we continue having. I know it's a huge community, but still.

One thing is for sure with all of them: they will be all eventually deleted (every "accomplishment" they done is erased) and nobody remembers them after that. Nobody.

How does this message improve the signal/noise ratio in this topic? Is the information presented in this message new information for any of you?

Sorry for my harsh words, but this topic is a bit unlike other topics in the forum and the rules may be slightly different.

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:07 am

But if I really want to discuss this topic with other users, should I make a new thread for it instead? I thought we could also have a slight chat in this thread, regarding the topic of the thread (fakers, fake entries and hits). Of course this no new information, but sometimes at least I stop to think about it for some time and it makes me wanna hear also other people's point of view what drives these fakers.

Sorry if I totally went off-topic with these two postings.