K3lvin wrote:Dutch artist/architect Rem Koolhaas has proposed a new flag for the EU. His new flag uses 45 vertical stripes, taking colours from every existing member's national flag.
Idea for the new flag is very good, but outcome isn't. If somebody asks me to draw new EU-flag, how I can remember order of the colours? It will demand hard studying and good memory. There is too many colours, and it makes that flag look like a colour chart.
Old is better because it's simple, it's easy to remember.
I voted "no" in the poll. Nevertheless, this answer of mine is strictly on the question of the poll as given, i.e. whether we should keep the old E.U. flag. I believe a better design can be found. Yet, we must not forget that for many nations that emerged, or wish to emerge, from regimes that are far from democratic, the current E.U. flag has acquired an elevated status that we (the people of the 25 states of the E.U.) have mostly failed to comprehend.
As far as the multi-coloured flag proposal, it was plainly absurd and senseless and I could not hide my shock and disgust when I saw it; even now I have not softened my stance towards it in the least.
Also, to add to the debate of adding stars to the flag as new states enter the E.U., not only the U.S.A. follows this practice (actually, I believe they were the first to adopt it), but Brazil too. In the case of Brazil, the methodology for adding stars to the flag is a very cumbersome one. Venezuela also added a star on its flag a week ago, but the background for the eighth star on the flag of Venezuela is more politically charged and is linked to a territorial dispute with Guyana. In any case, I do not feel "especially" inclined to keeping the 12-star flag.
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- Frank Herbert, Dune
K3lvin wrote:
Dutch artist/architect Rem Koolhaas has proposed a new flag for the EU. His new flag uses 45 vertical stripes, taking colours from every existing member's national flag.
Matesi1976 wrote:As far as the multi-coloured flag proposal, it was plainly absurd and senseless and I could not hide my shock and disgust when I saw it; even now I have not softened my stance towards it in the least.
It is neither shocking nor disgusting but some kind of misinformation that you find in British media (see first message) fairly often when it comes to "things EU". Koolhaas merely presented that "stripes design" as a possible logo; the EU bodies had no intention to use it as a new flag, and they have never used it.
As a logo, used for some event, I actually like that design. Which is why I think it is OK for the Austrian EU Presidency to use it during these six months - see http://www.eu2006.at/en/The_Council_Pre ... /Logo.html for more info. The stripes should, however, not replace the European Flag.
But, as I wrote before, neither the European Union nor the Council of Europe (both use the same flag) wanted or want to do that.
tabbs wrote:It is neither shocking nor disgusting but some kind of misinformation that you find in British media (see first message) fairly often when it comes to "things EU". Koolhaas merely presented that "stripes design" as a possible logo; the EU bodies had no intention to use it as a new flag, and they have never used it.
Exactly. And the EU didn't ask Koolhaas to even make a proposal. IIRC his job had been to make proposals for new official buildings in Brussels, he simply added it to his report about that. I wonder why they haven't added the story here yet: http://europa.eu.int/unitedkingdom/pres ... dex_en.htm
To make a rough comparison, it's like George Bush asking you for a new carpet design for the Oval Office and you reply "Make it green and furthermore I think you should nuke Canada." And the next day the BBC titles "WHITEHOUSE CONSIDERS PROPOSAL TO NUKE CANADA". True ... in a way. "When it comes to things EU" as you write there is not much difference between the BBC and the Sun, really.
K3lvin wrote:Dutch artist/architect Rem Koolhaas has proposed a new flag for the EU. His new flag uses 45 vertical stripes, taking colours from every existing member's national flag.
As you may have noticed http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/communication/f ... 001_en.htm it was never meant to replace[/b] the European Flag but was designed with a quite different purpose in mind. For that it would have been OK. By the way, the place where I live uses a very similar logo for its sports activities: http://www.duesseldorf-aktiv.net/images ... rklein.jpg Don't think there were any protests against it. Then again, there were no false British reports about our Sports City logo.