Suspicious notes and users

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:50 pm

Mr Euro wrote:
Klazu wrote:Please, moderate those two simultaneous hits between me and Trico. They're real hits, but not very interesting for us.
Does Trico agree? Can he post his opinion here?

Yes, I do believe he also agrees (because we have over 70 hits together, plus over 200 moderated local hits). I have no contact to him, because he doesn't show up here on forum.

But anyway, there was a similar kind of event between me and Trico few weeks ago. Also then I requested you to moderate them. Also then you declined to do so, so I asked avij to do it and he did it immediately. I guess he and all finnish users know the strange "relationship" I and Trico has together, because we have almost 50 000 notes circulating in a city with 58 000 habintats. So numerous local hits emerge regularly, so maybe we should left only most interesting ones of them.

So please, trust me on this and moderate those. Thanks.

EDIT: Some moderator already took them away. Thanks. I guess you understand me on this matter.

joergb30 · Post by **joergb30** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 1:21 am

(merksemse tennisclub-ronnie-tony)

Fons wrote:They're entering fake notes!!!

They did it again

Fonzie · Post by **Fonzie** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:42 am

joergb30 wrote: They did it again

Just wait until they've entered enough notes (so they've put a lot of time and effort in it) and delete all their notes...

What about 'the hit collector'... has he gone straight now? He's enetering a lot of bills... maybe if they are analyzed, there might still be a mathematical pattern to it...

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:03 pm

Keyne entered theese 100eu notes

2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:52:13 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:53 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:51:15 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:54 Xxxxx2504xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:53 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:50:31 Xxxxx2503xxx Pxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)

Theese 50eu notes

2005-03-04 17:41:40 Xxxxx8957xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:40 Xxxxx8957xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:40 Xxxxx8957xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:40 Xxxxx8957xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:40 Xxxxx8957xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:40 Xxxxx8957xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
2005-03-04 17:41:39 Xxxxx8956xxx Rxxxxx Luino ( Italië, 21016)
I can see more because this was on the 11th page

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:09 pm

Theese people are faking at the moment.
56 merksemse tennisclub-ronnie-tony
92 Keyne
136 Woombel
342 nick-nicola
551 Pfundi ??

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:51 pm

Why are you so sure Keyne was faking with these €100 bills? Did you see
him entering many other comsecutive serials before?

Ralf · Post by **Ralf** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:11 pm

Yes in this topis some months ago, I am quite sure.
Maybe avij could have a look in his note list.

€€F · Post by **€€F** » Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:14 pm

Ralf wrote:Theese people are faking at the moment.
58 merksemse tennisclub-ronnie-tony
92 Keyne
124 Divol
136 Woombel
342 nick-nicola
551 Pfundi ??

Nice list Ralf... add THC with a

also I guess..

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:54 am

I remember avij talking about cleaning up database from the worst fakers? Nothing hasn't happened yet...

DIVOL · Post by **DIVOL** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:08 am

FotoVideoStore wrote:
Ralf wrote:Theese people are faking at the moment.
58 merksemse tennisclub-ronnie-tony
92 Keyne
124 Divol
136 Woombel
342 nick-nicola
551 Pfundi ??
Nice list Ralf... add THC with a also I guess..

I AM NOT A FAKER.
I COLLECT EURONOTES NUMBERS FROM 2002.
IT IS ONE OF MY HOBIES.
I HAVE TONES OF NUMBERS BECAUSE OF MY JOB.
I AM NOT A FAKER.
DIVOL

avij · Post by **avij** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:33 am

Divol, please don't spam the forum, we heard you the first time. No need to post your message four times and as a PM to me.

Now that I got your attention (you didn't reply to my email), how are you going to explain this hit?

Some further details:

Code: Select all

+---------+--------------+--------------+---------------------+-------+---------+-------+
| user_id | denomination | serial       | hit_date            | city  | country | count |
+---------+--------------+--------------+---------------------+-------+---------+-------+
|   DIVOL | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx956 | 2005-02-13 06:26:57 | Volos | Greece  |     1 |
|   DIVOL | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx965 | 2005-01-18 05:13:55 | Volos | Greece  |     1 |
| ditschi | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx974 | 2004-04-04 21:09:06 | Heide | Germany |     2 |
|   DIVOL | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx974 | 2005-02-28 04:23:21 | Volos | Greece  |     2 |
+---------+--------------+--------------+---------------------+-------+---------+-------+

The numbers are sequential. I wonder how ditschi managed to enter a note on 2004-04-04, and then several months later you found that note AND the notes whose serial numbers are just before the hit note in sequence. Besides, if you really had all those notes, why did you enter them with two week intervals between entries? Sorry, I'm not buying your explanation.

DIVOL · Post by **DIVOL** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:01 pm

avij wrote:Divol, please don't spam the forum, we heard you the first time. No need to post your message four times and as a PM to me.

Now that I got your attention (you didn't reply to my email), how are you going to explain this hit?

Some further details:
Code: Select all
+---------+--------------+--------------+---------------------+-------+---------+-------+
| user_id | denomination | serial       | hit_date            | city  | country | count |
+---------+--------------+--------------+---------------------+-------+---------+-------+
|   DIVOL | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx956 | 2005-02-13 06:26:57 | Volos | Greece  |     1 |
|   DIVOL | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx965 | 2005-01-18 05:13:55 | Volos | Greece  |     1 |
| ditschi | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx974 | 2004-04-04 21:09:06 | Heide | Germany |     2 |
|   DIVOL | 50           | Xxxxxxxxx974 | 2005-02-28 04:23:21 | Volos | Greece  |     2 |
+---------+--------------+--------------+---------------------+-------+---------+-------+
The numbers are sequential. I wonder how ditschi managed to enter a note on 2004-04-04, and then several months later you found that note AND the notes whose serial numbers are just before the hit note in sequence. Besides, if you really had all those notes, why did you enter them with two week intervals between entries? Sorry, I'm not buying your explanation.

I'm not a spamer.I send this email twice by mistake.I also send to you the same email as a PM from different posts.
I reply to your email at 28/02/2005:

Subject: RE: Your EuroBillTracker note entries
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 7:52:46 PM EST
From: divolgrc
To: contact@eurobilltracker.com
« Previous | Next »

WHY MY NOTES ARE FAKE ?
I COLLECT EURONOTES NUMBERS FROM 2002.
I HAVE MANY NUMBERS BECAUSE OF MY JOB.
ASK FIRST AND THEN YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUST TO ME.
DIVOL

About this hit:
I told you, I have many numbers and because you don't like to see sequential numbers, I write them one after the
other,after some days.
Why you said I'm a faker?
Don't buy my explanation if you want.I can't change your mind.
But I'm not a faker.
DIVOL

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:27 pm

DIVOL, read avij's message very carefully. You haven't showed any proofs how bills with sequential serial numbers have stayed together for almost an year. It's possible yes, but very very unlikely. Especially when you did enter tens of same kind of serials (sequential or almost-sequential) at that moment.

Also avij's question "Besides, if you really had all those notes, why did you enter them with two week intervals between entries?" is a very good one. That doesn't make much sense, unless you're fake entering serials.

You have the right to defend yourself but so far you haven't, as said, showed us any proofs.

avij · Post by **avij** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:26 pm

DIVOL wrote:I reply to your email at 28/02/2005:

If you meant that you've replied to my email, that reply never made it to our email inbox.

One thing that I've learned during the time I've handled these abuse cases is that I don't usually ask for an explanation from suspicious users. "People Lie... But Evidence Does Not", ie. I rely on the database when making my decisions. You've made quite a lot of suspicious entries, my example was just the top of the iceberg.

I won't waste more time on you. As I can't determine for certain which entries of yours are legitimate and which entries are fake, all your notes have been deleted from the EBT database. I'm sorry it had to end this way. I hope I won't hear from you again, go play somewhere else.

joergb30 · Post by **joergb30** » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:37 pm

Thank you avij for your decision

and thank you for your fast answer.

btw.
I hope woombel and merksemse tennisclub will be the next.