androl wrote:from my few Russian lessons I remember that the 4/5/6/7/8/9 numbers often have strangely different stresses, like 60 on the last and 70 on the first syllable. I don't remember 17, is it sjémnadtsat or sjemnádtsat? What is 600 and 700?
600 = shestsót?
700 = sjémsot?
so what do you think is the reason for these different stresses? Are pjat and shest generally less prominent words/syllables and does sjem have anything that makes it more easily be stressed in a longer word?
For the last question: no! Unfortunately there are no rules for the stress in Russian. The only way is to remember the stress for each word (and this includes all the different forms of the word because when a word is deflected, the stress may change too). See the stresses here:
6: sh
ést
7: sj
ém
8: v
ósjem (remember that this comes from sjem: vo-sjem)
16: shestn
ádtsat
17: sjemn
ádtsat
18: vosjemn
ádtsat
60: shestdesj
át
70: sj
émdesjat
80: v
ósjemdesjat
600: shests
ót
700: sjems
ót
800: vosjems
ót
As to the Finnish
8 = kahdeksan
9 = yhdeksän
there is a theory, that the 'dek' is the latin decem=ten, which has the form 'deka' in scientific texts (dekalitra = 10 litres) and hence the meanings would be
kah-deksan = 'kahta [vaille] dekasta' = two [missing] from ten,
yh-deksan = 'yhtä [vaille] dekasta' = one [missing] from ten.
But this theory is not necessarily correct. The origins of kahdeksan and yhdeksän are still officially unclear.
Edit: I also checked what a recent (2004) Finnish etymological dictionary says. There is the theory I mentioned above, but also another. The 'e' part in the two numerals could be the negative verb (Finnish 'ei' = no) and the rest would then be a deflective suffix of some sort: kahd-e-ksa-n, yhd-e-ksä-n'. The words would then mean 'kahta/yhtä ei ole [kymmenestä]'='two/one is not there [from ten]'.
This is also just a theory. BTW, the two numerals are rather or very similar in the other Fenno-Ugric languages. For instance the closely related Estonian: kaheksa, üheksa.