Trichet signature

androl · Post by **androl** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 6:42 pm

Greece is sorted al Ellada, they only changed the W to Y, not the printer letter. E was thought for Portugal before Valora announced to print notes and got the next free letter U
Hadibe, the L/E notes are 5€ Trichet, they didn't know about them 5 years ago

Also I think, E started printing for Finland because D stopped working.

giulcenc · Post by **giulcenc** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:08 pm

androl wrote:Greece is sorted as Ellada, they only changed the W to Y, not the printer letter. E was thought for Portugal before Valora announced to print notes and got the next free letter U

Thanx, so the correct table is:

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Country        |Letter|Printer(s)
---------------+------+----------
Belgie/Belgique|  Z   |  T
Denmark        |  W   |  S
Deutschland    |  X   | R+P
Hellada        |  Y   |  N
Espana         |  V   |  M
France         |  U   | E+L
Ireland/Eire   |  T   |  K
Italia         |  S   |  J
Louxemburg     |  R   |  -
Nederlands     |  P   |  G
Osterreich     |  N   |  F
Portugal       |  M   |  U
Suomi Finland  |  L   |  D
Sweden         |  K   |  C
United Kingdom |  J   | A+H

Fons · Post by **Fons** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:19 pm

giulcenc wrote:Thanx, so the correct table is:

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Country        |Letter|Printer(s)
---------------+------+----------
Belgie/Belgique|  Z   |  T
Denmark        |  W   |  S
Deutschland    |  X   | R+P
Hellada        |  Y   |  N
Espana         |  V   |  M
France         |  U   | E+L
Ireland/Eire   |  T   |  K
Italia         |  S   |  J
Louxemburg     |  R   |  -
Nederlands     |  P   |  G
Osterreich     |  N   |  F
Portugal       |  M   |  U
Suomi Finland  |  L   |  D
Sweden         |  K   |  C
United Kingdom |  J   | A+H

No it's like this:
Denmark en Greece are switched only, because the letter W doesn't excist in the Greek alphabet.

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Country        |Letter|Printer(s)
---------------+------+----------
Belgie/Belgique|  Z   |  T
Ellas          |  Y   |  N
Deutschland    |  X   | R+P
Danmark        |  W   |  S
España         |  V   |  M
France         |  U   | E+L
Ireland/Eire   |  T   |  K
Italia         |  S   |  J
Lëtzebuerg     |  R   |  -
Nederland      |  P   |  G
Österreich     |  N   |  F
Portugal       |  M   |  U
Suomi          |  L   |  D
Sverige        |  K   |  C
United Kingdom |  J   | A+H

giulcenc · Post by **giulcenc** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:22 am

Ok, thanks, I understand now (or I hope

).
And sorry for wrong country names

3948 · Post by **3948** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 7:06 am

As for wrong country names...

Hellas is more used than Ellas

Just check:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece

androl · Post by **androl** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:15 pm

Fons wrote:
No it's like this:
Denmark en Greece are switched only, because the letter W doesn't excist in the Greek alphabet.

I think the letters are switched, not the countries. In your table the printers N and S are not in their order.

Licht & Feuer · Post by **Licht & Feuer** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:32 pm

Just found my first

P012** - X349** (3x) and X352** (1x)

pooca · Post by **pooca** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:32 pm

I found H002/L

trichet, very rare in Finland

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Fri Dec 15, 2006 11:13 pm

pooca wrote:I found H002/L trichet, very rare in Finland

It's odd, since they are made for Finland.

Dakkus · Post by **Dakkus** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:02 am

Klazu wrote:
pooca wrote:I found H002/L :note-100: trichet, very rare in Finland 8O
It's odd, since they are made for Finland. :wink:

Not necessarily. Their printing was commissioned by the Finnish central bank, but that doesn't mean they would have been printed for Finland.

pooca · Post by **pooca** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:29 am

Klazu wrote:
pooca wrote:I found H002/L trichet, very rare in Finland
It's odd, since they are made for Finland.

"<avij> no, jos nyt vaikka sanon, että H002/L satasia on kirjattu Suomessa kolme kappaletta..
<avij> Belgiasta nuo ovat kotoisin, sieltä niitä on kirjattu 377, ja lähimaissa kanssa muutama kymmentä."

Klazu, as you can see, they are rare in Finland!

Most of the H002/L notes have been registered in Belgium, only three in Finland (this was for non-Finnish users).

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 9:21 am

Yeah, I know they are rare and so far I have seen none although I live quite close to Belgium. The H/L combination is weird if the attention has always been to bring them in to the circulation in Belgium, not Finland.

Fons · Post by **Fons** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:28 pm

I've got 7 of them
Could have been more.... if the woman at the bank gave me the notes on top of the 'bundle' of €100 notes. And not starting below, I could have had at least 5 more

Dakkus · Post by **Dakkus** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:59 pm

Klazu wrote:Yeah, I know they are rare and so far I have seen none although I live quite close to Belgium. The H/L combination is weird if the attention has always been to bring them in to the circulation in Belgium, not Finland.

No, it's not. The notes are not printed for distinct states, but for a common pool.
Each National Central Bank commissions the printing of an amount of banknotes they printed before switching Euro to the pooling system. The letter does NOT tell the country for which the note was intended, but merely the central bank that was responsible for commissioning the printing of the note.
Why it's not just ECB that commissions all the printwork, is quite beyond me, as the end result is precisely the same. It might be that if it was ECB that printed the note, many old national note printing facilities would have to be shut down, because it is pointless ordering identical products from 10 different factories, while a couple would be very well enough. Killing off several note printing facilities would probably be politically a stupid thing to do. With the current system the NCBs are able to support their local printing facilities. To remind, all this searching-for-reason I've written here is just guesswork.
The existence of the pooling system, however, clearly is not.
Obviously saying that all the notes go to a monolithic pool is a simplification, though. If it was so, the diffusion charts would all look identical, which is not the case now. But every EBTer knows there are uncirculated notes with NCB letters different than the letters of their local NCBs.
A lot is still left unclear to me, but one thing is sure: The NCB letter doesn't tell where the note was intended to be in circulation, but instead which NCB transferred the payment from ECB to the note printing facility.
If the Belgians need those notes and the Finnish NCB is the one responsible for producing them, then the Finnish NCB will order the notes for Belgium.

Yes, it's complicated. I'm sure there must be reasons for all this, but I am not all that sure if the reasons are something I really want to know

Klazu · Post by **Klazu** » Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:05 pm

There should be a Wiki article clearing things out for the normal people.