Pooling system banknotes

joergb30 · Post by **joergb30** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:55 pm

Just seen 20€ in good condition: U1219* L007E2

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:49 pm

Today I found 3 €20/P009C4/X0972... in uncirculated condition.

Eurocracker · Post by **Eurocracker** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:39 pm

joergb30 wrote:Just seen 20€ in good condition: U1219* L007E2

... "in a good condition" doesn't mean "uncirculated"... . Then it's very difficult to find out, where this note came from. The serial-number is rather low for a french note. It can be possible, that that note is a "real" french note. Maybe it was staying for a long time in a money-box... . So I don't think, that the note is a pooling-note for Germany by France... .

Eurocracker

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:43 pm

Today I saw this bill in (almost) uncirculated condition:
€50 X1586... P009B4.
I am not sure if it is a pooling note, because it was the only €50 bill the ATM
gave me. But the ATM gave me 3 consecutive €20 bills with serial X0972 and
shortcode P009C4, so these ARE pooling notes.

Eurocracker · Post by **Eurocracker** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:55 pm

Elmo wrote:Today I found 3 €20/P009C4/X0972... in uncirculated condition.

First I remark, that those notes have very high serial-numbers (nearly the highest serial-numbers of german 20 €-notes at all until now) - so it's not probable, that those notes were produced before 2003.

So it's a bit strange, because the Netherlands produced in 2003 20 €-notes by themselves... . Maybe the Netherlands produced not enough 20 €-notes for their own demand. If the notes are uncirculated and you received them in the Netherlands, they must be pooling-notes, that's certain. A producing in 2004 ist not possible, because Germany doesn't produce 20 €-notes in this year.

BTW: In a few days I'll public a list here, where we are able to see all countries, producings and values at all - so it should be easier to analyze and cataloguize the pooling-system...

I'm still waiting for an answer of Craco to any questions about technical things... .

Eurocracker

aplfi · Post by **aplfi** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:27 pm

In Finland user Alepub has entered portuguese 10€ notes with consecutive numbers. It seems that we have run out of 10€ notes.

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:37 pm

aplfi wrote:In Finland user Alepub has entered portuguese 10€ notes with consecutive numbers. It seems that we have run out of 10€ notes.

But as far as I know there aren't any Portuguese €10 pooling notes, so I
have doubts if these bills are real.

aplfi · Post by **aplfi** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:51 pm

He has been a member since August 2003 and has entered over 1200 notes. I trust him.

Eurocracker · Post by **Eurocracker** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 7:24 pm

Elmo wrote:
aplfi wrote:In Finland user Alepub has entered portuguese 10€ notes with consecutive numbers. It seems that we have run out of 10€ notes.
But as far as I know there aren't any Portuguese €10 pooling notes, so I
have doubts if these bills are real.

That's right, Elmo - Portugal didn't produce any 10 €-pooling-notes at all until now. But that doesn't mean much... .

Maybe Alepub spent his holidays in Portugal, received a few brandnew 10-€-notes there, but didn't spent them all there... . Or he noticed the numbers in his holidays, but inserted them at home? We don't' know, from where he got those notes. Not all seeming strange things must be a fake...

Maybe Alepub will read this thread and would tell us, from where those notes came from?

Eurocracker

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:21 pm

Eurocracker wrote:So it's a bit strange, because the Netherlands produced in 2003 20 €-notes by themselves...

That doesn't mean much. In Germany, there were N-notes from day 1, although X produced all denominations at that time. So why should it be different in 2003?

Eurocracker wrote:If the notes are uncirculated and you received them in the Netherlands, they must be pooling-notes, that's certain.

Only "highly probable": Quite a few notes of the initial production (of 15-17 billion notes) went into the central and strategical reserves and might come now into circulation "bundle by bundle". There are always less than 10 billion notes in circulation.

Eurocracker wrote:A producing in 2004 ist not possible, because Germany doesn't produce 20 €-notes in this year.

German notes of 2004 are not yet printed.

Eurocracker wrote:BTW: In a few days I'll public a list here, where we are able to see all countries, producings and values at all

What kind of tables will you publish?

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 11:27 pm

Eurocracker wrote: So it's a bit strange, because the Netherlands produced in 2003 20 €-notes by themselves...

But look here.
Nearly all Dutch €20 pooling notes (P/P) are circulating in Finland. I only have
one such bill with serial P0472... and shortcode P009E5.

Sneakster · Post by **Sneakster** » Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:01 am

Elmo wrote:
Eurocracker wrote: So it's a bit strange, because the Netherlands produced in 2003 20 €-notes by themselves...
But look here.
Nearly all Dutch €20 pooling notes (P/P) are circulating in Finland. I only have
one such bill with serial P0472... and shortcode P009E5.

And I've got another one.. P0400.... Shortcode P009H3

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 6:56 am

I got two special 20-euro notes from a cash machine in Turku in the weekend. They were sequental P-notes (P0538...) but this time printed by G

Sneakster · Post by **Sneakster** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:20 pm

Aaron wrote:I got two special 20-euro notes from a cash machine in Turku in the weekend. They were sequental P-notes (P0538...) but this time printed by G

I got 16 €50 notes starting with P081... and P087.... printed by H... I received those 16 notes all in one day and in one place.

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 3:07 pm

Aaron wrote:I got two special 20-euro notes from a cash machine in Turku in the weekend. They were sequental P-notes (P0538...) but this time printed by G

What was the shortcode?