Fake locations

[avij]

One viewpoint regarding some incorrect locations (I avoid the term "fake" here) is that you should differentiate between unintentionally and intentionally incorrect locations. Especially the country can quite easily get changed to something unintended. Two examples regarding that:

1) If someone using a scroll wheel mouse tries to scroll down the note entry page and happens to have the cursor positioned on the country selection menu item while doing that, the page does not scroll down but the country changes, without the user necessarily noticing the changed country. The dropdown country list might not even "pop up" when using the scroll wheel, making the change even more subtle. This problem may not happen on all operating systems / browsers, but this was somewhat of a problem some years ago.

2) We recruited another tracker while on our trip to Estonia this summer. Although we created her account on my laptop, I suggested that she could use her iPhone for entering the notes. So she entered some notes from Haapsalu, Estonia and from some other places in Estonia as well. When she returned to her native Tampere, Finland, she apparently forgot to change the country in the iPhone app and the next notes ended up getting entered from Tampere, Estonia. This continued for a few weeks, until I figured out that there's a problem and told her to change the country in the app. I don't believe it was intentional that she used "Tampere, Estonia" as the location for her notes. I have also accidentally entered some notes from Tallinn, Finland with WAP (the country selection on the WAP page is somewhat hidden).

Generally speaking, it'd be nice if you could show some tolerance towards other users' entering habits, if the note entries were made in good faith. Too complex rules may take the fun out of note entering. Don't be too envious, take the entries (and the resulting maps) with a grain of salt if you need to. There are some note entering habits that I wouldn't personally use, but as long as it still accurately describes the path the note has taken, those are okay for me.

Disclaimer: I'm not in the Database WG, this is just my personal opinion. And it's Helsinki instead of Helsinky, to correct the common misspelling.

[an-148]

thanks for your opinion, Avij
exactly because it can also happen accidentally (at least the "errors" n°1 and n°2) by users who don't "edit" their notes if some error shows up, it would be usefull to have a small team (equipped with the corrct tool) tto correct the most evident "errors" of that kind.
a team that would act separately from "cleaning girls", a bit like the moderators

[LITO]

you don't play in team...family.. Sylvie...are bank name? Only register notes of friend means to be in one team. An-148 please use correct words I never offended you, I understand very well the rules and I am asking to change to avoid wrong location hits like your

presidente , you either did not read the rule or did not understand part of it , so please look again and read each and every word.
Now I think we are boring others with our endless quarrel , so I will not follow you anymore on that topic.


Sharing accounts
We don't have a strict rule regarding shared accounts, but rather rely on the common sense of our users. The general idea is that everybody should track his/her own notes on his/her own account. However, there are cases when sharing an account makes more sense, e.g., if your family members or your spouse are also tracking notes. If you and a relative started tracking notes on individual accounts but decide you want to combine them later just ask our support team for further assistance.
Multiple accounts for a single user (e.g., for testing or registering boomerang hits) are not allowed!

[presidente]

you don't play in team...family.. Sylvie...are bank name? Only register notes of friend means to be in one team. An-148 please use correct words I never offended you, I understand very well the rules and I am asking to change to avoid wrong location hits like your

presidente , you either did not read the rule or did not understand part of it , so please look again and read each and every word.
Now I think we are boring others with our endless quarrel , so I will not follow you anymore on that topic.

Lito in Italy we still remember this hits
2011-08-20 15:28:23 Berlin - Roma beaweb - LITO 1182 50
2011-08-20 15:28:23 Berlin - Roma beaweb - LITO 1182 24
2011-08-20 15:28:23 Berlin - Roma beaweb - LITO 1182 22

this type of hits are boring me

I agree to stop discussion, Avij was clear, everybody can do what he wants

[an-148]

it's not agreing to stop discussions if you play the pitbull and want to have the last word: please let the honest tracker continue to track honestly (the references you are referring to are far more interresting hits than some made in Hong-Kong or Osaka from the chair in front of the computer at home!!).

if you agree to stop discussions, please admit that ALL other users posting in this topic confirm to register their bill on the orthodox way: where they receive it. If you have other habits - allowed by the rules - continue, but don't try to IMPOSE your vues the agressive way you do ..... and let's finally concentrate on the topic

[presidente]

it's not agreing to stop discussions if you play the pitbull and want to have the last word: please let the honest tracker continue to track honestly (the references you are referring to are far more interresting hits than some made in Hong-Kong or Osaka from the chair in front of the computer at home!!).

if you agree to stop discussions, please admit that ALL other users posting in this topic confirm to register their bill on the orthodox way: where they receive it. If you have other habits - allowed by the rules - continue, but don't try to IMPOSE your vues the agressive way you do ..... and let's finally concentrate on the topic

An-148 was a pleasure discuss with you, if this will feel you better I can admite all what you want. My scope was to improve statistic and to stop to have unnatural hit...I missed completely. If for you it's normal find three notes in Rome in the same insertion of the same user from the same city we dont'have nothing else to discuss
p.s. I don't want last word for me after Avij post discussion was already finished for me, but I musted reply to LITO

[jonman]

lately i was thinking a lot about a tool that could help our database a lot. thanks to avij for reminding us bout assuming good faith in everyone’s entering habits. i really guess that most of the mess comes from users who are not really aware of the rules stating different (e.g. tram-love). i think that it’s really a problem that the community can communicate with single users only if they are registered in the forum. it would be great to have a tool to directly contact any user (even not registered in the forum). i can understand that many people wouldn’t like to be able to be contacted by everyone, so the least could be that the support team can contact every user. i guess that the cleaning girls already do this to give people the chance to defend themselves; but has already anybody spoken to tram-love that his habits are against the rules? if the support team can ask individual users personally to change their notes themselves many strange entries could be avoided and maybe we wouldn’t even need another tool to allow a work group to change the flag (or similar changes).

[an-148]

yesterday and today, again a lot of wrong countries

[Ashido44]

2012-11-25 13:09:32 Xxxxx0687xxx Gxxxxx Stendal ( Armenia, 39576)
2012-11-25 13:09:31 Yxxxx0850xxx Nxxxxx Stendal ( Argentina, 39576)

User: manuelsdl

[Phaseolus]

2012-11-25 13:09:32 Xxxxx0687xxx Gxxxxx Stendal ( Armenia, 39576)
2012-11-25 13:09:31 Yxxxx0850xxx Nxxxxx Stendal ( Argentina, 39576)

User: manuelsdl

And he has added more of it !

[Elmo]

What should we think of this:

2012-11-26 13:37:43 Pxxxx2246xxx Exxxxx Maastricht ( Nederland, 6211SN)
2012-11-26 13:37:43 Pxxxx2246xxx Exxxxx Maastricht ( Nederland, 6211SN)
2012-11-26 13:36:06 Pxxxx2246xxx Exxxxx Heerlen ( Nederland, 6417BM)
2012-11-26 13:36:06 Pxxxx2246xxx Exxxxx Heerlen ( Nederland, 6417BM)
2012-11-26 13:36:06 Pxxxx2246xxx Exxxxx Heerlen ( Nederland, 6417BM)
2012-11-26 13:36:06 Pxxxx2246xxx Exxxxx Heerlen ( Nederland, 6417BM)
2012-11-26 13:36:06 Pxxxx2246xxx Exxxxx Heerlen ( Nederland, 6417BM)

At first sight you'd think user Montfort is a location faker, because he enters a series in two different locations. But what if he received these bills from the same person in these two locations?

[tippetian]

User " Bult" has entered notes in the following false combinations

Siena Bhutan
Siena Bolivia
Groningen Brunei
Groningen Burkina Fasso
Groningen Canada

I am sure that this is not a mistake and suspect if I bothered to check a few more obscure countries a few more errors would be apparent

Can these be moved to Italy and the Netherlands?

User daro follows a similar pattern in Cuba, Dominica etc for Maribor

[presidente]

User " Bult" has entered notes in the following false combinations

Siena Bhutan
Siena Bolivia
Groningen Brunei
Groningen Burkina Fasso
Groningen Canada

I am sure that this is not a mistake and suspect if I bothered to check a few more obscure countries a few more errors would be apparent

Can these be moved to Italy and the Netherlands?

User daro follows a similar pattern in Cuba, Dominica etc for Maribor

I think is better to delete this entries, I think that also Siena is invented

[an-148]

deleting bills that can be real should be to be considered only as a second step: if we aleady had a tool to correct those entries, it would be fine! If the "clown" continues his game, the case could eventually be taken under scrutinity by the cleaning girls (my five cents!)

[presidente]

deleting bills that can be real should be to be considered only as a second step: if we aleady had a tool to correct those entries, it would be fine! If the "clown" continues his game, the case could eventually be taken under scrutinity by the cleaning girls (my five cents!)

I found a little bit strange insert notes in Siena and Groningen in the same day,for me both locations are fake and not only the country, but I don't want to start an other discussion with you