Do you wish European Union to be added in EBT countries?

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:20 am

Avij does not think I was serious when I suggested to add the European Union as a country, in the list of countries, on EBT...
Though, the EU will get its own constitution in 2004. That was not a joke!

I just would like your opinion on this.

querty · Post by **querty** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:46 am

I hope one day we can do that. I hope also that the member countries than will become regions with the most necessary power.

!Pretfles! · Post by **!Pretfles!** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:00 am

Maybe in the future
but for now I'm proud on my own Belgian nationality

European Union has to change a lot before it 'll be my country

But I can understand that you have an other view by living in Canada,
but we are not yet the USE (United States of Europe)

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 7:27 pm

!Pretfles! wrote:Maybe in the future
but for now I'm proud on my own Belgian nationality

European Union has to change a lot before it 'll be my country

But I can understand that you have an other view by living in Canada,
but we are not yet the USE (United States of Europe)

I was not talking about USE or whatever, but about adding the EU in EBT...

10 no... It's democracy.

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:08 pm

There are lots of errors in the database with the cities and their coordinates. Presently a team of EBT users provides coordinates of places which are not in the system yet.

If we allow for EU, we'll not only get Brussels, Brussel, Bruxelles, Brüssel in the list of Belgian cities, but in an additional EU list as well. This makes the finding of unlocated places much more difficult. All the cool map features we got in the last weeks will get screwed up.

One example: Just try to locate Springfield, USA

ag_pt · Post by **ag_pt** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:35 pm

Olivier wrote:Though, the EU will get its own constitution in 2004.

I hope not. Quoting a portuguese member of the European Parliament "I would vote for the Euro if I was swede, I would vote vor the EU if I was from any of the new 10 members, I would vote against a european constitution no mather where I was from."
That's my opinion too. The EU would have to evolve a lot to be my country or for me to recognize an european constitution. The diversity is large enough to make the constitution very weak in its purposes and very limited to be effectively applyable, in contradiction with the members own constitutions.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:36 am

I voted no simply because EU is not a country.

Dakkus · Post by **Dakkus** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:53 pm

We want to know where in Europe the note comes from. If we just say "EU", it won't tell us a shit. Don't think the selectable countries as countries. Think them as districts instead. It would be useless if 95% of our notes would come from "EU". Who needs that info? No one. It's much more useful when you can tell where in EU you've gotten your notes from. Statistics work better and so on.

I'm sorry, but I'm against your idea of adding "EU" as a country to the list. And I'll be against it even when EU is one country.
Where's Willy doesn't have "USA" listed, either. I guess you know, why.

querty · Post by **querty** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:27 pm

Dakkus wrote:We want to know where in Europe the note comes from. If we just say "EU", it won't tell us a shit. Don't think the selectable countries as countries. Think them as districts instead. It would be useless if 95% of our notes would come from "EU". Who needs that info? No one. It's much more useful when you can tell where in EU you've gotten your notes from. Statistics work better and so on.

I'm sorry, but I'm against your idea of adding "EU" as a country to the list. And I'll be against it even when EU is one country.
Where's Willy doesn't have "USA" listed, either. I guess you know, why.

I think you mean Where's George. But we can enter the city or village also so we are still able to now from which part of the EU the bill comes. But if we can chose EU than I don't know if anybody will use that. The several countries give us directly the place, before we see the map, where the bill comes from. If you know your geography ofcourse.

!Pretfles! · Post by **!Pretfles!** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:36 pm

I can follow you but

I know my geography,
but only the bigger cities

who in Finland for instance can now where Opitter or Mechelen is

same as we wouldn't know where Espoo, etc are

the country is very important

avij · Post by **avij** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:40 am

Currently there's one for the addition (who that might be?) and 21 against, so I think I'll respect the results of this uncalled referendum and leave the country listing intact. I'd like to point out that the country selection in Account Details isn't a place where you should select your nationality, the selection is clearly labelled Default Country. Note the difference. For example, if I spent half a year in Germany for some work-related things, I'd most probably change my default country to Germany until I was back to Finland. I fully agree with the comments by Dakkus and Donald, so I'm not going to repeat their views here.

Besides, even if EU gets its own constitution, it does not mean that EU would be just one country. I just spent about one hour and a half reading the draft constitution (about 250 pages), and the individual countries are still going to exist even after the new constitution even though some things are going to be more integrated than before. Part I, Article 8: Every national of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to national citizenship; it shall not replace it. Followups about this can be redirected to the Europe forum, as this discussion doesn't really belong here.

Generally speaking, most things here in EBT can't be decided by vote alone as there are usually quite a lot of things that affect the implementation, and most of you aren't aware of those. You should just trust me and Philippe, we do all the hard decisions to make EBT a better place, although we do take input from regular EBT users into consideration when doing the decisions. There is also a group of trusted EBT users who are consulted prior to making any significant changes to the site.

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:58 am

Dakkus wrote: It would be useless if 95% of our notes would come from "EU". Who needs that info? No one. It's much more useful when you can tell where in EU you've gotten your notes from. Statistics work better and so on.

I prefer this argument... I agree with that.

Anyway, I would like it if we got a world map, just to see where the euros out of Europe are located. It could be interesting and funny to follow them, especially since Eurobillsandcoins live in Hong Kong, I live in Canada and several EBTrackers live out of Europe (Surinam, etc...).

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:59 am

Donald wrote:There are lots of errors in the database with the cities and their coordinates. Presently a team of EBT users provides coordinates of places which are not in the system yet.

I can help if needed...

Olivier · Post by **Olivier** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 3:03 am

avij wrote:Currently there's one for the addition (who that might be?)

I wonder!

avij wrote:I'd like to point out that the country selection in Account Details isn't a place where you should select your nationality, the selection is clearly labelled Default Country.

Yes, I know.

I agree with all these arguments... I just regret not to be able to see all "my" bills on the map, as everyone.

I got 6% of my bills out of Europe.

Dakkus · Post by **Dakkus** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:19 am

I'd prefer having a world map, too. But not for every bill. But if a note is input outside Europe, then a very small world map could be shown to plot the place. Just plot the note in non-European cities to that country's capital. It´s accurate enough. So, if a note goes from Shanghai to Lisboa, thenshow two maps:
The European map with the line coming from outside the map
and the world map with the line going from Shanghai (or Beijing, if we plot using capitals) to Lisboa. It'd be cool :))

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