W-EBTM2016 Ireland : Meeting hits

[LArdennais]

Hi all ! Even if I am not with you, I open this thread because...there's already a "Meeting Hit" today !

http://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=163041714

Congrat's to bhoeyb, eurostyle and tigerpranke !

[eurostyle]

Vielen dank tigerpranke
We were on this ferry between nine en ten o'clock And you ?

https://fr.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=162996772

[MDeen]

4th bill I entered: http://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=163159703
Nice genuine hit (sorry guys above, those are friendly hits).

[LArdennais]

4th bill I entered: http://en.eurobilltracker.com/notes/?id=163159703
Nice genuine hit (sorry guys above, those are friendly hits).

Sorry MDeen but how - and with which informations - can you consider eurostyle & tigerpranke's Hit as a "friendly Hit" ? Let's give a good explanation to us, thanks a lot !

[eurostyle]

Yes MDeen. It's your interest to give a good explanation.
As I said during the meeting, it was NOT a friendly hit !
We paid the price of the crossing at thirty past nine o'clock and tigerpranke received one of my bills three hours later on the same ferry but on the other way
Are you jealous MDeen
Best regards

[Cinnamon]

Got this on the lunch break and I'm absolutely sure I didn't see any other EBTrs there. But seems we still found each other. Hit with namastebaba

[namastebaba]

Did you find the note on sunday or on monday?

[Cinnamon]

Did you find the note on sunday or on monday?

We left Dublin on Sunday.

[tigerpranke]

Now I'm getting angry...

The triple with eurostyle and bhoeyb has been moderated for the 2nd time. It is a normal and interesting hit which didn't happen during the meeting. eurostyle and I weren't on the ferry at the same time.

1st question: Who dit it?
2nd question: Why?

[gergapsek]

Now I'm getting angry...

The triple with eurostyle and bhoeyb has been moderated for the 2nd time. It is a normal and interesting hit which didn't happen during the meeting. eurostyle and I weren't on the ferry at the same time.

1st question: Who dit it?
2nd question: Why?

Yes, I´m getting angry too.

Ganz einfach. Ich.

1. Es ist immer üblich gewesen, das Meetinghits moderiert wurden, was dieser Hit in meinen Augen klar ist, da er ohne eure Beteiligung am Meeting nie zu Stande gekommen wäre. Mag schon sein, dass ihr euch nicht getroffen habt, das ändert aber nichts an der Tatsache, dass ihr beide wegen des Meetings dort gewesen seid und dass in einer Gegend, wo man eine normale Hitratio von eineigen 100 bis 1000 Scheinen hat! Und ganz nebenbei sei noch gesagt, dass es Supportter vermeiden sollten, Ihre eigenen Tickets zu bearbeiten!

2. Auch die Dalkey-Hits sind Meetinghits, da allen Anwesenden bewusst gewesen ist, dass japh dort seit Jahren massenhaft trackt und dass so gut wie jede Scheinequelle im Ort ohne grösseren Einsatz zu Hits führt! Z.Z. habe ich die Hits noch nicht moderiert, aber mein Standpunkt ist hiermit klar.

3. Vor Jahren war ich selber in Dalkey und es wäre ein leichtes gewesen, dort den einen oder anderen Hit zu produzieren, aber ich habe es mir verkniffen auf solch offensichtliche Weise zu einem Hit zu kommen, weil ich der Meinung bin, dass Hits aus solchen Orten , wo so gut wie jeder 2., 3. Schein bereits getrackt ist, alles andere als interessant und legitim sind.


On this point I apologise to all of you, who don't understand German.

Regards
gergapsek

[MDeen]

Just as an aside, gergapsek, what is your standpoint on the myriad of Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits? Or the Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits? Or the Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits?
Can't we see Helmbrechts as a perpetual meeting?

[Lasterpaule]

1. Es ist immer üblich gewesen, das Meetinghits moderiert wurden, was dieser Hit in meinen Augen klar ist, da er ohne eure Beteiligung am Meeting nie zu Stande gekommen wäre.

OK, wenn die Auslegung der Regel so streng angewendet wird, dann frage ich mich, ob es in Zukunft überhaupt noch Sinn macht auf ein Meeting zu gehen. Das Geld (in Fall Irland waren es ~1200 €) könnte ich mir sparen und für andere Dinge ausgeben.

Just as an aside, gergapsek, what is your standpoint on the myriad of Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits? Or the Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits? Or the Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits?
Can't we see Helmbrechts as a perpetual meeting?

Genau, da muss ich MDeen Recht geben, gergapsek. Dann kannst Du auch gleich damit anfangen, sämtliche Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts Treffer von mir zu moderieren und wenn Du dann immer noch nicht genug hast, moderiere doch gleich meine Treffer mit an-148, als er damals gemeint hat, er müsse ~600 Balkan-Scheine in Helmbrechts entsorgen... und wenn Du schon dabei bist, darfst Du auch gleich die Scheine von vermeer moderieren, die er in Helmbrechts in Umlauf brachte und erst Wochen später eingegeben hat, die zeigen eh alle in die falsche Richtung ....
...mir fällt bestimmt noch mehr ein, aber fürs Erste dürfte das wohl genügen.

[tigerpranke]

gergabsek, thanks for your reply.

I unmoderated the hit myself as nobody contacted me regarding this hit before moderation. That was why I was asking who was the one who moderated the hit.

Yes, maybe this hit wouldn't have happened if there hasn't been a meeting, but it was days before the meeting and Kilimer is 220 km away from Dublin, no bank involved (bundles) but the toll on a ferry. So I and others wouldn't call it a meeting hit to be moderated. When there was the meeting in Munich a hit in Schaffhausen (nearly the same distance) 3 days before the meeting would have been treated the same? I don't think so. That is why this hit is not to be moderated.

A meeting hit to be moderated - in my opinion - is a hit around the meeting place / town with another participant. I'm not interested in hit ratio and therefore I didn't know that Dalkey is "Japh-land". I was there because of driving the 2 others to the dot, not to "produce" a hit. AFTER getting diesel at the petrol station we called Japh and met him. He told us, that this was one of his sources and he showed us his way of marking notes. I agree, those hits could or could not be moderated - but it was not against the rules:

There's one basic rule: you shouldn't enter a note if you know in advance that it has already been entered by someone else

By the way:
You've entered more notes in Dalkey than me, but maybe you didn't enter notes marked by Japh

[gergapsek]

Just as an aside, gergapsek, what is your standpoint on the myriad of Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits? Or the Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits? Or the Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts - Helmbrechts hits?
Can't we see Helmbrechts as a perpetual meeting?

Sure hits like this aren't interesting, I fully agree. But you can hardly forbid some local (power)trackers to track in their own hometown. On the other site is the problem the same as in this meeting case, no one of the hit partners is willing to allow moderate such hits, even if there are plenty of them.
This is one of the basic problems here on EBT, every one sims to deal with the rules the way he wants and there are no major consequences for breaking them.
Many times in the past some support members moderated hits like the ones you mentioned or meeting hits and always there was someone who said "that isn't fair" and the supporters (moderators) were the bad boys in this never ending story.

[gergapsek]

gergabsek, thanks for your reply.

I unmoderated the hit myself as nobody contacted me regarding this hit before moderation. That was why I was asking who was the one who moderated the hit.

Yes, maybe this hit wouldn't have happened if there hasn't been a meeting, but it was days before the meeting and Kilimer is 220 km away from Dublin, no bank involved (bundles) but the toll on a ferry. So I and others wouldn't call it a meeting hit to be moderated. When there was the meeting in Munich a hit in Schaffhausen (nearly the same distance) 3 days before the meeting would have been treated the same? I don't think so. That is why this hit is not to be moderated.

A meeting hit to be moderated - in my opinion - is a hit around the meeting place / town with another participant. I'm not interested in hit ratio and therefore I didn't know that Dalkey is "Japh-land". I was there because of driving the 2 others to the dot, not to "produce" a hit. AFTER getting diesel at the petrol station we called Japh and met him. He told us, that this was one of his sources and he showed us his way of marking notes. I agree, those hits could or could not be moderated - but it was not against the rules:

There's one basic rule: you shouldn't enter a note if you know in advance that it has already been entered by someone else

By the way:
You've entered more notes in Dalkey than me, but maybe you didn't enter notes marked by Japh

I could repeat myself with the things written in the posts before and I think my opinion is clear, so I will not start here an endless discussion. Maybe only this guideline from the SEBM 2009 - it's a pity the organisers didn't post something like this, but this are more or less the guidelines on meetings for years:

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=18183
Summer EBTM09: Important Reminder!



OdgovorNapisal/-a Mr Euro » 06 Avg 2009, 22:24
Hey,

Since there are loads of new members coming to our official Eurobilltrackermeeting, I would like to remind you to the following.

The meeting is not to get hits with eachother. Those hits will be moderated as meetinghits.

So please do mind next guidelines:

* Bring only 5 euronotes or coins to the meeting
* If you pay your share of the cost, pay it as much as you can in 5 euro notes. The organisers will not enter them in EBT, so they will not get moderated (They will get spend in Vienna/Bratislava area so it's in your advantage as well)
* If you spend money during the meeting (to get lunch, drink, ...) consider also using 5-ers.
* The notes you receive on the days of the event, should always get "S-EBTM09 Vienna" in the commentfield.